"When forced to summarize the general theory of relativity in one sentence: Time and space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter. ... Physical objects are not in space, but these objects are spatially extended ... thus the concept of particles cannot play a fundamental part, ... and can only appear as a limited region in space in which the field strength or energy density are particularly high."
(Albert Einstein, Metaphysics of Relativity, 1950)
"It is my firm belief that the last seven decades of the twentieth century will be characterized in history as the dark ages of theoretical physics. ... The quantum world is a world of waves, not particles."
(Carver Mead, Professor Emeritus at Caltech. Received $500,000 Lemelson-MIT Prize in 1999)
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Lazyman
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| Quote: | The Last Legends of Earth: A A Attanasio
Legends persist long after the people, even the world that spawned them have died. But with a sufficiently advanced technology (here indistinguishable from magic of the distinctly mystical kind) you can bring anything back to life. All the beings on the artificial planetary system of Chalco-Doror have been reborn from fossilised DNA drifting in the reaches of space, hurled out by the explosion of our solar system billions of years before.....
The notion that all life is stored as light, expanding endlessly out to the ends of the universe is worked out logically.... |
http://www.sandm.co.uk/mary/sfjournm/Last_Legends/last_legends
http://www.amazon.com/Last-Legends-Earth-Attanasio/dp/0385263937
Copyright 1989 - around the same time as Milo's book, Exploring the Physics of the Unknown Universe. Yet another way to introduce a somewhat similar concept to a faction of the general population. (Steve, guess the name of the alien architect of the artificial planetary system ... yep, Gaia  )
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Steve Anthony
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Cool Lazyman,
The top link didn't work for me, however!
'Science-fiction' has some very nice moments! I used to read Michael Moorcock when I was in my late teens, and only now are some of the books having deeper realisations of meaning for me (I'm a bit slow!). The 'Jerry Cornelius' novels, or the 'Dancers at the end of time', in particular. Great stuff! (But Terry Pratchett is funnier! - sorry Mike!).
Other people's 'visions' of the future are quite intriguing sometimes, and films have such a huge impact on society nowadays. I'm sure we all remember 'Star Trek', and it's little hand-held communicators that we all seem to carry with us in real life now? Space Odyssey - Classic! (and still very relevant today). A.I. is another 'vision' that seemed plausible, to me. And 'Terminator' is just plain scary!
And today..? Real life seems stranger than anything I've read...
Hmm... I know of an alien architect that built an invisible planet, similar to the one you mention... but that could be happening in a whole other universe! 
http://www.planetgong.co.uk/octave/cosmo/gonglogix.shtml
I do love Our Infinite's Elves...
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Lazyman
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Crazy Steve,
I think I've fixed the link...funny, Moorcock is mentioned (as you mentioned him) within. Yes, SciFi has had an influence on society...a couple classic examples that come to mind are Asimov/robotics and Heinlein/waldos. Do you grok? |
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~~Back cover of the next best selling fiction based on fact novel in the world. ~~
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Even as we speak several strangers are conversing via waves in space within this finite universe in the form of internet forumspeak. As they ponder the reason for the motion of space, they realize that there is much more to the Dynamic Unity of Reality than just particles and dark matter and dark energy. Soon they will set out to tear down the walls of misconception by presenting to the world the most simple language for describing Reality, founded on One thing existing, Space, with Properties of a Continuous Infinite Eternal Wave Medium. As this ancient truth rises to the top, through all of the lies and manipulation that has crippled mankind for thousands of years, a luminous transformation or evolution of mankind will take place and the full potential of humanity will finally be realized. The Peoples priorities will resonate with their place of origin and soon Mother Earth will begin to heal. The past will never be forgotten but the future will forever be referred to as a blessing in disguise.
There is no time like the present to learn from our mistakes. The time has come to lay down our weapons and our hatred before we destroy ourselves and our world. ~rob |
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Rob Peritz
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High Lazyman,
"grok," - "to understand something so thoroughly that it becomes part of the observer."
Thou art God, and I am God and all that groks is God.
Robert Heinlein, Stranger in a Strange Land.
“Don't ever become a pessimist... a pessimist is correct oftener than an optimist, but an optimist has more fun, and neither can stop the march of events. Robert Heinlein
Robert Anson Heinlein (July 7, 1907 –– May 8, 1988). By fusing speculative concepts with fast-paced storytelling Heinlein set a high standard for science and engineering plausibility that few have equaled.
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"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction." Einstein
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."Einstein
"Gravitation is not responsible for people falling in love." Einstein
"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details." Einstein
Einstein and Heinlein I wonder if they ever met? They can come to dinner at my house anytime. They have a standing invitation.
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Rob, all,
| Quote: | Thou art God. Know that and the Way is opened.
- The Man from Mars |
| Quote: | | "grok," - "to understand something so thoroughly that it becomes part of the observer." |
Ahh, a kindred spirit, I didn't know if anyone here knew 'Martian' ;)
A quote that might be applicable to WSM:
| Quote: | | If you happen to be one of the fretful minority who can do creative work, never force an idea; you'll abort it if you do. Be patient and you'll give birth to it when the time is ripe. Learn to wait. RAH |
http://www.phnet.fi/public/mamaa1/heinlein.htm
Of course I've always liked this one:
| Quote: | | Progress doesn't come from early risers - progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things. Lazarus Long/RAH |
http://homepage.eircom.net/~odyssey/Quotes/Popular/SciFi/Heinlein.html |
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Steve Anthony
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I wouldn't personally bend over while there was someone called 'rimstalker' in the room! 
(sorry! - couldn't resist!)
...said the RIMSTALKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rob,
| Quote: | ~~Back cover of the next best selling fiction based on fact novel in the world. ~~
...a luminous transformation or evolution of mankind will take place and the full potential of humanity will finally be realized. |
An optimistic outlook indeed, that would be in the year 2012, I presume? |
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Lazyman
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Steve,
| Quote: | | I wouldn't personally bend over while there was someone called 'rimstalker' in the room! |
Shame on you! Next come the Uranus jokes, I suppose?
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Steve Anthony
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| lazyman wrote: | Steve,
| Quote: | | I wouldn't personally bend over while there was someone called 'rimstalker' in the room! |
Shame on you! Next come the Uranus jokes, I suppose?
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No, I think that's quite enough from me!
I did like these though...
| Quote: | | If you happen to be one of the fretful minority who can do creative work, never force an idea; you'll abort it if you do. Be patient and you'll give birth to it when the time is ripe. Learn to wait. RAH |
| Quote: | | Progress doesn't come from early risers - progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things. Lazarus Long/RAH |
...just so you know your postings are hitting the mark!
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I agree!
Great quote.
I'll have to start sleeping in.
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Lazyman
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perhaps this quote best fits the sentiment:
| Quote: | That old saw about the early bird just goes to show that the worm should have stayed in bed. RAH
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Actually, in light of his proliferous works, I find it hard to believe that Heinlein followed his own advice. |
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Hey lazyman, | Quote: |
| Quote: | | ...a luminous transformation or evolution of mankind will take place and the full potential of humanity will finally be realized. ~rob |
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An optimistic outlook indeed, that would be in the year 2012, I presume? ~lazyman |
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Well not necessarily so. I always hope for the best. It would be nice, 2012, poof, all better now... But I’m not one to believe in miracles even if I do wish that they did indeed happen from time to time. I surmise that it will take generations for humanity to settle down and stop acting so stupid. Stealing from each other, killing each other, hating each other... It makes me almost ashamed of being human. The only saving grace I see in us as a species is what I see every day in all of us. Kindness, honesty, compassion, love, our ability to see beauty. We are capable of so many wonderful and miraculous things. For us to let our insane, self-defeating character traits extinguish our potentially awesome future is just plain stupid.
~rob
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