Wave Diagrams: Some Basic Examples - Help Needed

[haselhurst]

Wave Diagrams: Some Basic Examples - Help Needed

Over the past 12 months I have had about five people write to me who are interested in helping create better wave diagrams. I have been busy doing other things and have not gotten organised - so this is finally a start.

On the page linked to below, there are examples of some basic wave diagrams that at least help show what is needed.
Check it out - write to us if you can help.

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/science-physics-wsm-wave-diagrams.htm

Geoff Haselhurst

[rpmorrow]

Hi,
I am just starting to get my head around this new perception of the universe. I am in agreement that better models need to be created to help people visualise certain aspects.
I am quite good at the CGI so maybe i could help. I am willing to create all the 3D/2D animations/images that are necessary. And I will do it all for free!
I have the same objectives as you do. That is to help people to understand. For me to create these images I will need to understand the concepts involved. I am reading a lot about this subject and 'the standard model' of physics, but I have a few nagging questions that are hindering my progress. Below are the questions in a message I have posted elsewhere but got no reply.

I am fascinated by the topics discussed here, but I am also struggling to visualise some aspects. All my knowledge of physics (beyond 1/2 an A level) is self taught from the net and books. I am struggling to progress further because of a few nagging questions that some of you will no doubt find simple. If it is too much to answer here, could you please advise me of a web site or book to read.

1 - Scalar/Standing Waves
I can visualise a standing wave quite easily (http://www.walter-fendt.de/ph14e/stwaverefl.htm), but i don't know what its physical properties are. i.e. does it interact with matter like 'normal' EM waves if not why not? does 2 standing waves 180 degrees out of phase make a scalar wave? Is it the same as 2 'normal' EM waves 180 out of phase traveling in the same direction and interfering?
The term 'scalar wave' is confusing me as i have learned that there are 2 types of quantity; vector, and scalar. How can a wave be scalar? Is it not traveling any more? is it more like a field?

2 - EM wavelength and gaps
How is it that the wavelength determines what size space (between atoms) the wave can fit through. This also applies to aerial design. The wavelength is in the same direction as the movement. It seems like saying that a rod of 1cm x 1000cm will only fit through a gap of 1000cm. Is the wavelength somehow related to amplitude? does an EM wave/photon even have an amplitude, or is it more photons=brighter radiation?

3 - EM wave generation
An em wave is generated from acceleration/retardation of an electron. Is there any difference between the wave generated under the following conditions;
- An electron traveling in a straight line and always in one direction but with sinusoidally varying speed
- An electron moving back and forth sinusoidally
- An orbiting electron

4 - Antiparticles
How is it that an antiparticle (e.g. positron) has positive energy i.e. when an electron and positron collide they annihilate leaving behind energy in the form of radiation. do -ve energy particles exist

5 - How are the standing wave resonances contained in a tiny finite sphere (an electron)? Do 'particles' have definite boundaries?


I hope these are questions are not too stupid for you to answer. Please answer the best you can. I will put the information on my web page so that others will find it.

Any images/animations I create can be of professional quality or as simple as you like.

Thanks
Richard Morrow (http://www.rmcybernetics.com/physics.htm)

[haselhurst]

Hi Richard,

Thanks for posting, have tried to answer questions below where i am able.
Geoff

Hi,
I am just starting to get my head around this new perception of the universe. I am in agreement that better models need to be created to help people visualise certain aspects.

Geoff - Very important I think.

I am quite good at the CGI so maybe i could help. I am willing to create all the 3D/2D animations/images that are necessary. And I will do it all for free!

Geoff - Now that is a lovely offer. Thank you very much - hope you can enjoy the challenge of it, and in time i think it will prove to be both very important and quite famous (and diagrams should be lovely to see).

I have the same objectives as you do. That is to help people to understand. For me to create these images I will need to understand the concepts involved. I am reading a lot about this subject and 'the standard model' of physics, but I have a few nagging questions that are hindering my progress. Below are the questions in a message I have posted elsewhere but got no reply.

Geoff - Good attitude. Relevant questions are always welcome, particularly if people have a made an effort to read a bit first.

1 - Scalar/Standing Waves. I can visualise a standing wave quite easily (http://www.walter-fendt.de/ph14e/stwaverefl.htm)

Geoff - Nice diagram. Thanks. Shows two transverse waves travelling in opposite directions (same wavelength and amplitude) forming a standing wave. This is correct for transverse waves, however I think real waves in space are a mix of transverse and longitudinal waves (because they are made from a Huygens combination of all other matter in universe, so waves are formed from other waves flowing through space in all directions).

But i don't know what its physical properties are. i.e. does it interact with matter like 'normal' EM waves if not why not?

Geoff - Matter is waves - so that's all there is, waves. So waves interact with other waves as they flow through each other and change velocities (so I did not quite understand your question - there is no 'separate matter' that waves interact with). The current use of 'particles' which generate em 'fields' that act on other 'particles' is just an approximation, it is wave interactions that cause these 'field' effects, and wave-center of spherical waves that forms 'particle' effect.

Do 2 standing waves 180 degrees out of phase make a scalar wave?

Geoff - Two standing waves 180 degrees out of phase would cancel one another - there would be a straight line in the wave diagram you linked to. This is not related to scalar Vs vector waves (as far as i know).

Is it the same as 2 'normal' EM waves 180 out of phase traveling in the same direction and interfering?

Geoff - According to WSM / Milo Wolff, em waves are mathematical (and vector), not real, and are continuous approximations of many discrete standing wave interactions that cause discrete properties of light. This is why Maxwell's equations / relativity could never explain discrete properties of light and matter found in Quantum theory - because they worked with continuous spherical em fields rather than spherical standing waves.

The term 'scalar wave' is confusing me as i have learned that there are 2 types of quantity; vector, and scalar. How can a wave be scalar? Is it not traveling any more? is it more like a field?

Geoff - Neither of above. Just a wave described by its wave amplitude only for any region of space. On the other hand, em waves are vector and have both an amplitude and directional component.

2 - EM wavelength and gaps
How is it that the wavelength determines what size space (between atoms) the wave can fit through. This also applies to aerial design. The wavelength is in the same direction as the movement. It seems like saying that a rod of 1cm x 1000cm will only fit through a gap of 1000cm. Is the wavelength somehow related to amplitude? does an EM wave/photon even have an amplitude, or is it more photons=brighter radiation?

Geoff - Try to get rid of old notions of matter as both 'particles' and waves. There are only waves.
And I think for real waves in space, they travel faster with higher wave amplitude, thus they will also have a longer wavelength with higher wave amplitude. (This relates to how matter changes shape with motion (Lorentz, Einsteins relativity). Mike Harney can perhaps answer this better than me. See;
http://www.physics-philosophy-metaphysics.com/forum/about166.html
There are no photons, just standing wave interactions and resonance that cause electrons (wave-centers) to change their wave patterns in atoms / molecules from one pattern to another which we see as the electron absorbing a discrete amount of light energy / photon.

3 - EM wave generation
An em wave is generated from acceleration/retardation of an electron. Is there any difference between the wave generated under the following conditions;
- An electron traveling in a straight line and always in one direction but with sinusoidally varying speed
- An electron moving back and forth sinusoidally
- An orbiting electron

Geoff - I assume each will have its own unique pattern. You can imagine this yourself by visualising electron as wave-center of spherical standing waves (or at least spherical waves flowing in and out through wave-center that causes electron's particle effect, so standing waves are actually moving a bit). Most important to realise though that an 'orbiting' electron has a REPEATING wave pattern, and that sets up resonance with other similar bound electrons and leads to what we call light as electrons resonantly couple and change repeating wave patterns. What we currently call an electron emitting or absorbing a photon as it changes from one allowed 'orbit' to another. Schrodinger's wave equations are used to calculate these allowed wave states of electron which correspond to certain energy values.

4 - Antiparticles
How is it that an antiparticle (e.g. positron) has positive energy i.e. when an electron and positron collide they annihilate leaving behind energy in the form of radiation. do -ve energy particles exist.

Geoff - An anti-particle is simply an opposite phase wave. Waves have energy, thus antiparticles have energy. Simple, and explains annihilation due to destructive interference of opposite phase waves.

5 - How are the standing wave resonances contained in a tiny finite sphere (an electron)?

Geoff - They aren't. Spherical standing waves are structures of the finite spherical Universe within an infinite Space - created by the Out Waves of all other matter in universe. See Cosmology page;
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Cosmology.htm
For a Proton it is possible that there is another wave pattern constrained in Wave-Center (this is what Milo Wolff thinks) to explain higher mass / energy and strong nuclear force.

Do 'particles' have definite boundaries?

Geoff - Not really. But wave amplitude decreases with distance, and each wave center only interacts with other matter within a finite sphere of Space that we call Universe within Infinite Space. Again, see Cosmology.


I hope these questions are not too stupid for you to answer. Please answer the best you can. I will put the information on my web page so that others will find it.
Any images/animations I create can be of professional quality or as simple as you like.
Thanks
Richard Morrow
http://www.rmcybernetics.com/physics.htm

Geoff - Your questions show a genuine curious mind which is an excellent start. But it takes a while to adjust to new knowledge, get rid of our old notions of matter as discrete and separate particles. Please keep reading on WSM, then ask questions. Hopefully we can help answer them. And good luck with your website - i see it is under construction - but you are heading in the right direction so in time it will be great i think.
Well done,
Geoff

PS - I am also self taught - but this is often the nature of philosophers, and often the nature of those who make unique discoveries (not corrupted by current dogma). So be proud of it!

PPS - Our page on wave diagrams (very basic) gives some ideas on the above, and also on diagrams that could be created to help. See;
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/science-physics-wsm-wave-diagrams.htm

PPPS - Your spelling is about as 'good' as mine - try to download Google toolbar and use spellchecker. I have corrected spelling in your post above. But if we are to present ourselves professionally spelling is important. Thanks

[nmatrix9]

"Below are some of my rough attempts from about 3 years ago (2002) to create spherical
effect, and show a series of spherical waves moving in to Wave-Center. (Flash movies)"

*Tried to use [flash]<url>[/flash] bbcode but this version of phpBB doesn't have that bbcode option.

on the page
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/science-physics-wsm-wave-diagrams.htm

I noticed the words "rough attempts" when you were describing the early purple standing spherical waves, were you not satisfied with how they looked or represented in the end product? (Iam making some new wave diagrams and movies off of the diagrams on that page) so any pointers or better yet another rough jpg or even bitmap with some side notes to what your trying to achieve would be helpful in getting me to see what you were trying to achieve in your earlier attempts. If you could post some sketches/images(with embedded notations) in this thread those images would also be helpful as Iam sure others are probally attempting to make some wave diagrams/movies.

*Please forgive the spelling it's very very late, so late in fact I hear roosters cockadoodle dooing . . . and I don't even live on a farm.

[haselhurst]

Hi,
Well I find my wave diagram attempts very rough and amateur!

Mike Weber has just completed some more wave diagrams (using java). These are 2D representations of what are really 3D spherical waves.
See;

http://ryanhagan.net/mike/StandingWave3D/StandingWave3D.htm

It is obviously hard to create a 3D image on a 2D screen, and I worry that the 2D images will mislead / confuse people. What we want is a representation of a Sphere (surface of a ball) that flows in to wave center (central point) and back out again to form a spherical standing wave.

I can't really add much to what is on current wave diagram page;
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/science-physics-wsm-wave-diagrams.htm

If you want to SKYPE me to discuss (free internet chat and telephone) my username is haselhurst.
See;
http://www.skype.com/helloagain.html

Sorry i can't help more.
Geoff

[haselhurst]

Physics Websites on Waves

I went through my physics favourites and picked out a few websites that have wave diagrams, stuff on wave mechanics.
I am sure there is lots more out there - so if you find any good stuff please post it.
Geoff

http://www.walter-fendt.de/ph11e/index.html - Lots of physics Java applets (animated diagrams) including wave diagrams.

http://www.du.edu/~jcalvert/waves/wavhom.htm#index - Very good physics site on various wave phenomena with maths physics explanations / calculations.

http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath242/kmath242.htm - Very good article on Huygens' Principle. This is important to the Wave Structure of Matter as it explains how the spherical Out-Waves of all other matter in our finite spherical universe form into the In-Waves of our matter (which explains both source of In-Waves and Mach's Principle (mass of body is determined by all other matter in universe).

http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/quantumzone/debroglie.html - A bit daggy, but provides simple explanation of particle wave duality. If they just realised that particle effects are due to discrete standing wave interactions it would be so sensible and obvious instead of strange and paradoxical. Worth clicking through their pages though.

http://www.wavetheory.it/eng/index.htm - I need to study this website as it proposes a wave structure of matter / fields. Looks very interesting.


http://g2pc1.bu.edu/~roberts/py231/exam94_sol.pdf - Music and waves

The following are from another post by Steve.

Just googling on 'spherical wave amplitude' gave some nice links, and me an idea, about starting a thread dedicated to links with relevant wave diagrams, as and when they are found.

Really this is just to help people with a more visual understanding, and get us all thinking of things as a wave-structure...

http://www.falstad.com/ripple/
http://www.falstad.com/mathphysics.html

http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jos/pasp/Spherical_Waves_Point_Source.html

http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/waves/wavemotion.html

http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/forkanim.html

http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/rad2/mdq.html

(Animations courtesy of Dr. Dan Russell, Kettering University, by permission. http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/copyright.html)

"While one source expands the other source contracts." - Quote from the above link. (Sounds familiar!)

These are based on sound waves, but as we now know, the spherical wave motion of Space is all there truly is. Dr. Russell seems like a busy man, but I will attempt to contact him with a link to the site.
Steve
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Hope this helps,
Geoff

[galaxy*19]

http://www.wonderquest.com/electrons-colors-hummer.htm

mainly for the wave diagram that appears towards the top.

[haselhurst]

The following is copied from another post - but belongs here;
http://www.physics-philosophy-metaphysics.com/forum/absolute-truth-vt537-25.html

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Hey everyone,

What do you think of this:

http://photos.imageevent.com/robroy/fish/SPHERE.mpg ?

Lazyman

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(Geoff replied)

Interesting, very interesting!

I watched it yesterday, and again this morning.
It is growing on me.
Can still be improved no doubt, but starting to give the idea of spherically vibrating space.
Did you make this LM?
How?

A guy wrote to me last week who is interested in helping with wave diagrams, and there is Mike Weber who has made this;

http://www.ryanhagan.net/mike/StandingWave3D/StandingWave3D.htm

It would be nice if a few people with talent for this could share their ideas and skills to create a variety of wave diagrams that showed electron, light, gravity, de Broglie phase wave and faster than light (non local) interactions, formation of in-waves (cosmology / Huygens' principle), etc.

Hope this helps,
Geoff

[haselhurst]

It would be nice if a few people with talent for creating wave diagrams could share their ideas and skills to create a variety of wave diagrams.

Some ideas!

1. The electron - spherical and cross section, showing in and out waves forming a spherical standing wave.

2. Charge - Waves are non-linear and travel faster with higher wave amplitude. Thus you can show that for two electrons that are in phase, then their in and out waves between them have a higher wave amplitude, travel faster, and thus cause wave centers to reposition further apart over time (like charges repel). For an electron and a positron the opposite is true, the positron (antimatter) is just an opposite phase standing wave to the electron, so the waves between them cancel, have lower wave amplitude, and travel more slowly causing wave centers to form closer together.

3. Light - need to take into account high velocity de Broglie phase wave that determines allowed wave function / pattern of electron in atom / molecule - while also showing how two electrons in different atoms / molecules can resonantly couple and change their respective wave patterns (emit and absorb discrete amount of energy / photon of light).

4. Gravity - slowing of in-waves causing them to change ellipsoidal shape (Einstein's curvature of 4D space-time) and which also changes location of wave center over time (with each successive in-wave the wave center repositions itself in the direction of slowest incoming spherical waves - and waves travel slower where there is more matter / higher wave energy density of space).
We are currently working on this at the moment (will add stuff to my spaceandmotion diagram page once complete) - looking at how light curves as it passes the sun to calculate how the mass of the sun compared to the average mass of the universe slows the wave velocity.

5. EPR / Non Locality - de Broglie phase wave where velocity is c^2 / relative velocity, so very fast at low relative velocities, to explain faster than light (non local) interactions.

6. Cosmology - Huygens' principle and the formation of in-waves from the out waves of all other matter in a finite spherical region of space (our universe) within infinite space.

Anything else that you think would be useful??!!

Cheers,
Geoff

PS - I added this as there are several others who are working on wave diagrams and I have just written to them with above info - and invited them to discuss here.

[Bill Back]

I am thinking that time is not a factor of space waves/flow.

"Change is now. Change is NOW! That which appears to be solid is not. Dance to the day when fear, it is gone." The Byrds

I have a simple static diagram in mind.

[Lazyman]

[Bill Back]

Perhaps the point of view could be from the center of the spheres?

or spheres made of arrows showing flow?

My CAD program is in storage in Sacramento. Not on my new computer. hope to get it soon and play with this.....

Is silence, space? the sorce of all vibrations?

[Bill Fisher]

Hi,

Bill Black wrote:

[haselhurst]

Since we now have an easy image upload feature - lets use it to help present this knowledge better.

Bill sent me this image of a sphere.




It would be useful to make a spherical wave diagram out of this.

One method that may work (use photoshop).

Start by making sphere about twice its current size, and crop rest of background.

Make 10 copies, each 10% smaller.
Make copies say 95% transparent.

Then convert them to animated gif, to show a series of smaller spherical waves.

Then you need to take that one moving image and keep layering it so that the original largest sphere keeps appearing and getting smaller in a continuous cycle.

Any takers?

You could also do this in flash, and transform image from 100% to 10% over several seconds.

Hope this makes sense.
Geoff

[Rob Peritz]

I am inspired to write a short fictional story out of this idea of designing and creating an accurate computer image in 3D space of what a Spherical Standing Wave in and of Space actually looks like...

[haselhurst]

How about a nice positive ending (I am a romantic).

She turns the computer off, but it will not turn off, just keeps running this spherical standing wave image.
She unplugs the computer - it still keeps running.
It is now resonating with physical reality itself and taking energy directly from the cosmos (the perpetual energy machine).
A moral tale - that if we know truth and reality we will find free energy, we will find freedom by understanding our infinite foundations, to explore our infinite potential.

Much more to add - it is fun playing with ideas, creative imaginations.

Enjoy it.
Geoff

[Steve Anthony]

...she wakes up to discover that only 'metaphor' has disappeared, and all that is left is reality!

Nice, Rob.

~S~

[Bill Back]

My computer does not show the image of the sphere that I sent. Just space. This tells me that we are trying to make an image of the invisible. Best shown as nothing....We cannot see space or waves only the effect.

She looks at her screen, waiting for the image that does not appear and seeing her reflection knows that she should go lay on the bed next to her man to see what develops there.

[Bill Back]

Idea to show spherical waves, or to help people visualize the effect:

Observe (photo, video, make a hologram of tinted) water boiling in a weightless condition.
Will this show spherical waves in water? That may apply to space waves?
What happens to water boiling in space? Does the gas escaping resemble spherical waves?

“Ripples in still clear water, where no pebble is tossed and no wind blows.” Grateful Dead

[haselhurst]

Hi All,
My latest attempt at a spherical wave diagram.



Any thoughts?
Any help?

Geoff

[haselhurst]

Is this better if it is cropped?



Steps to create these;

1. Used Photoshop to erase background around image of a sphere (image from Bill - a few posts above)

2. Used Flash to make a motion tween between full size image and image at 20%. Then exported as jpeg images (25 of them - each image slightly smaller).

3. Put images into premiere - then exported as movie. So I then had a movie of one sphere getting smaller.
Then I re-imported movie into Premiere and added it to 5 layers, each 1/5 second later - then set opacity to 20%.

4, Then exported movie as AVI.

5. Took movie back into flash and exported as an animated gif (they are about 30KB which is OK).

You could also do a similar thing with a series of parallel lines representing wave fronts - and have them coming in / moving from 36 different directions (rotate 10 degrees each time).
You should then find that they combine to forum a wave center.
This would be good - because then you could slow them down in one direction and you would see that the position of the wave center would move (the cause of all forces / matter interactions I think)

Cheers,
Geoff

[Bill Back]

Cropped is better, I think animation programs will produce better effects than autocad. Space Blender?

Since the concepts of spherical wave diagrams seems to elude most of us. I suggest we look to nature for examples. Maybe we can find a macrocosm of WHAT IT IS (good movie title?). Perhaps we can see similar processes happening in boiling water, freezing water, a glass of beer, amebas, lava, solar phenomena, the motion of galaxies, baby bubbles, or the antics of a balloon blowing clown? I’ll be keeping my eyes open,. Closing the forum for 6 months is good, it will give us all a sense of space.

Tata for now

[nisarga]

Hi Folks,

Here are some binary wave ideas... Breathing Waves




This is one way I picture the intercourse of respiration~circulation... it is easy to see how things can get very complicated very quickly by simply adding building blocks of binary waves.

Namaste'
James

[haselhurst]

Hi James,
Very cool.
Thanks - I will use them on site.
Geoff

[nisarga]

Hi Geoff,

Here is a version where things are more in sync.

James