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The Wave Structure of Matter (WSM) is the most simple language for describing Reality, founded on One thing existing, Space, with Properties of a Continuous Infinite Eternal Wave Medium. While the Wave Structure of Matter (WSM) is not yet well known, it clearly explains and solves many of the fundamental problems of Science (Metaphysics Philosophy Physics) by explaining how matter (and thus humans) are necessarily interconnected to other matter in Space within the Universe. We think this knowledge is important, hope that you find it interesting and will enjoy pondering upon (and discussing!) this new perspective for understanding physical reality.



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Rob Peritz



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:49 am    Post subject: thoughts on the new simple science page Reply with quote

Hi Geoff,
I just read your rewrite at;
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Most-Simple-Scientific-Theory-Reality.htm

I think your description/presentation of the simple science behind the Wave Structure of Matter is well thought out and easy to understand. Brilliant I might add...

However;
I would suggest that you work on/edit this one paragraph that can be found about half way down the page;

Quote:
“To summarize, matter is not a tiny particle, it is a large spherical spatially extended structure of Space (which is why matter can interact with other matter in the Space around it). Again Einstein explains this well (his error was to work with continuous fields in space-time rather than discrete standing waves in continuous Space. Again Einstein explains this well (his error was to work with continuous fields in space-time rather than discrete standing waves in continuous Space)”


It seems to me that this summery paragraph is directed more to scientists than to the average person. Nothing wrong with that but I think that you could do a quick rewrite here so that all of us will have the opportunity to understand your summery.

I would suggest something like this;

Quote:
To summarize, matter is not a tiny particle separate from space, matter is both in and of space, or to put it another way, matter is large spherical spatially extended structures of Space. The fact that all matter is extended structures, in and of space, is the very reason that matter can interact with other matter in the Space around it for what we observe to be tiny isolated particles in space, are in reality, Spherical Standing Waves of space. Again Einstein explains this well with this next quote however his error was to work with continuous fields in space-time rather than discrete standing waves in continuous Space.


I know that my version is a bit longer than yours but keep in mind that the average person probably doesn’t know what Spatially means I didn't so I had to look it up in the dictionary, here is the defintion I found... (1. of or pertaining to space. 2. existing or occurring in space, having extension in space...) So when I say, in and of space, I do mean spatial or spatially.

I know that I have singled out one paragraph from the broader context of the page but I do think that what I have suggested is, well.............., easier to understand...

Other than that...
Great work!
~rob:)


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Aireal



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also like the rewrite, and excellent job. As for Rob's point about the summary, I agree that it may be too complex for some readers.

On the other hand, we also need to appeal to scientists. So I think the summary should be left as is, but have a single sentence added for the layman. Add this sentence, or something like it, at the end.

Instead of curved space, you have curved scalar waves, the results are the same.
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks you guys.
I have just spent another two hours on the page.

Can you read it again - see if it is OK (it is hard to judge your own writing).
It is difficult to balance truth / science with simplicity / comprehension for the masses.

And your thoughts on the new header (top of page) and the style / layout /aesthetics (took me two weeks to build it - but it will become the site wide style, so it is important!)

Geoff
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Most-Simple-Scientific-Theory-Reality.htm
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Aireal



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geoff

I like it and here is why.

The Title is clear cut.
The pictures for navigating around the site has always been cool and easy to use.
There is an easy to find link to The Philosophy Shop next to the search bar. That makes it easy to find, while not being too pushy.
The scrolling text box blends in nicely.
The subdued graphics on the border are easy on the eyes while reading. And reduces glare while viewing the page.
The text, while covering a lot of ground, is not overly long to read. The different text styles for quotes, headings, links and main text help keep the reader from becoming lost in the text.

One minor note. Near the end, you have a short section titled "In reply to Skeptics"
The wording is a little harsh, and may turn off some readers. It is hard not to sound anti - something or the other, and you can't please everyone. So this is only a suggestion.
May I suggest this minor rewording to not offend any mathematicians.


Mathematical Models are not Reality, Mathematics helps us to understand Reality - Godel's Incompleteness Theorem - Mach's Principle.
Can our Finite Minds understand Infinite Space.
Read more about W.S.M. with an open mind, and judge it by the Mathematics and Logic, and not the current Mathematical Models.
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Rob Peritz



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Geoff,
Quote:
And your thoughts on the new header (top of page) and the style / layout /aesthetics (took me two weeks to build it - but it will become the site wide style, so it is important!) -(Geoff)


The Spherical Standing Wave Structure of Matter (WSM) in Space

the acronym above leaves out (Spherical Standing) if left as is the acronym shold be SSWSM

However, that seems like a long acronym (SSWSM) so I think you could rethink your header...

Do you agree?
~rob

PS - I have been working on a post considering acronyms and over symplification; here it is.
Quote:
Acronyms utilized on this forum

Acronyms
(WSM) - Wave Structure of Matter
(DUR) - Dynamic Unity of Reality
(SSW) - Spherical Standing Waves
(SSWSM) - the Spherical Standing Wave Structure of Matter
(SWM) - Space the Wave Medium
(OTE) - One Thing Existing
(ICMS) - Infinite Continuous Motion System
(IaOS) - In and Of Space
(WC) - Wave Centers
(MaE) - Matter and Energy
(OFU) - Observable Finite Universe
(PM) - Perpetual Motion
(W) - Waves
(SPCIEWM) - Space, with Properties of a Continuous Infinite Eternal Wave Medium

Here is an example of over simplification...

There is only OTE.

First and foremost is “Space the Wave Medium” (SWM) as the priori of all things existing.
Space is the One Thing Existing (OTE) as the Infinite Continuous Motion System(ICMS).
Waves (W) In and Of Space (IaOS) form Spherical Standing Waves (SSW). The Wave Centers (WC) of these (SSW) is the matter and energy (ME) that we interact with (IaOS) and so is our Observable Finite Universe. (OFU).

From this foundation comes the Spherical Standing Wave Structure of Matter (SSWSM).

Thus, the WSM exists IaOS as SSW within the OTE, and so, the WC is the ICMS that the MaE of our OFU consists of. Thus (SPCIEWM) is the OTE.
~rob
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nisarga



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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Geoff,

In general I like your rewrite - I feel it is getting there.

Two suggestions for now:

1) I would reduce the number of quotes at the beginning to just this one "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. (Leonardo da Vinci)"... then your piece reflects the quote and you do not have to say all the others!

2) in a couple of places you say 'must be' - I suggest that you state things more firmly and definitely by replacing 'must be' with 'is'.

Hope this helps,
James
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aireal - What lovely precise comments. Thank you. It really lifted my spirits and means a lot to me. I owe you!!

Rob - (YACBILYA)

James - I thought the same thing about just using the da Vinci quote on its own - since it makes it so clean and elegant. But you know how I love quotes - find them hard to delete! I will change it - put other quotes at bottom of page i think.
And will look at the 'must be' comments.

Thank you all so very much.
Geoff

PS - (YACBILYA) You are crazy but I like you anyway
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi guys,

Thanks for reading the new simple science page. Geoff has had me reading various instalments for the past week - so it is great to hear other comments. I thought your feedback was spot on Aireal - exactly what we are trying to achieve. Excellent! Thank you.
We spent a whole day creating the background (it's very difficult to find a nice medium of images and ease of reading text). We both still quite like it after a few weeks, which is a good indication. Anyway I am pleased that you liked it too.
James - I think your comment about using the one da Vinci quote is fantastic. After all, it is all about simplicity.
I enjoyed your acronym play too Rob! YAC

Thanks!
Karene
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nisarga



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Folks,

Here is my attempt at stating things simply.

Namaste'
James


Ultimate Reality is Fourfold Breathing~Space:
1) ESSENCE 2) SUBSTANCE 3) PRESENCE 4) ABSENCE


· ESSENCE: the homeground of Ultimate Reality is Space, Pregnant Emptyness, Stillness, Silence (Potential Energy, Potential Motion)


· SUBSTANCE: Motion; sub- means under; -stance means stand, in other words, under-stand is what Space gives birth to (Substance comes out of Essence) and it stands under its mother ‘Essence’ or ‘Pregnant Emptyness’. This ‘giving birth’ is Motion (Flow), the fundamental property of Ultimate Reality. Motion is Energy (called Kinetic Energy) and the Breathing Motion of Space is pairs of waves (a pair of waves as a single entity is the fundamental building block of our binary universe).

The Substance and Essence of Space are One yet it is not correct to assume that the Substance of Space and its Essence are identical (this is like understanding that Hamlet and Shakespeare are One as Hamlet came out of, or is Shakespeare's expression, yet it is obvious that Hamlet is not identical to Shakespeare).

In the same manner the fundamental property of Ultimate Reality is that it expresses itself; it is a WAVE MEDIUM and the Medium IS a Binary Wave (pairs of waves). Both the Law of Conservation of Energy, and Newton’s Third Law of Motion prove this.

The Law of Conservation of Energy: Energy may neither be created nor destroyed. Therefore the sum of all the energies in the system is a constant (a pair of waves).



Newton's Third Law of Motion: For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction (every motion has a counter-motion – a pair of complimentary waves [insert an infinity symbol here]).

The two laws above are different ways of saying the same thing as the relationship of creation~destruction and action~reaction is binary wave relationship.


· PRESENCE: localized self-awareness; a phase lock with Space and its motion.

· ABSENCE: the Dynamic Unity of Reality - Space. There are no particles; matter is materialized energy as in-form-motion or energy-in-formation. Full integration with Ultimate Reality is like a cube of sugar that has been dissolved in water so that it appears to have disappeared (absence), yet when you taste the water you confirm that there is no where that the sugar isn’t.




Notes:
1) the Breathing Motion of Space is like your breathing as the complimentary wave intercourse of respiration~circulation; while you are inhaling via your respiratory system you are concurrently exhaling via your circulatory system, AND, while you are exhaling via your respiratory system you are concurrently inhaling via your circulatory system. Breathing is Life.

2) The substance that is the fabric of Space is Binary Waves (Motion); in Breathing the pairs of waves unfold concurrently with slight variations in their relationship; in Breathing Space they also occur concurrently yet there is a small off-set between motion and counter~motion that sustains continuous motion.
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