The Observable Universe

[northjetty]

We've had a lot of threads that have been bogged down with the confusion associated with using terms like 'infinite space' and the 'finite spherical universe'. This is in large part due to the term 'universe' as currently referring to all that exists. Geoff has put fourth a simple solution to this confusion of terminology.

Geoff

Note: To avoid confusion of language relating to 'universe' being finite (matter we see and interact with) or infinite (all that exists, infinite space), I will use the term 'observable universe' which is finite and spherical.
Thus each wave center 'particle' is at the center of its observable universe within infinite space

This summarizes the 'observable universe' as being a finite area of experience existing within an infinite amount of space. This is where the expanding universe problems cease to exist. We were imagining an expanding universe by misinterpreting red shift with distance. From there, we certainly rushed to interpret cosmic back ground radiation as evidence of this expansion. The question of what lies beyond the universal expanding boundary remains locked up in uncertainty. The microcosm remains locked up in uncertainty as well. Reality can be denied by modern philosophy in a world of endless uncertainty.

The wsm changes the issue of uncertainty altogether. Here we can be certain that space must be infinite reaching. We can be certain that space is in motion infinitely, thus we can be certain that there is an infinite amount of matter being formed by waves else where in an infinite amount of space in motion. Knowing that space is in motion and that space is infinite reaching, we can be certain that where ever you the observer are located within infinite space, you will certainly be experiencing a finite 'observable universe' within the infinite amount of space. This is very simple and logical, but our popular modern ideas about a contained and expanding space/matter/time/universe seem to be hard to let go of, even when they don't add up at all. "Observable universe" correctly describes our experience as finite, while explaining what exists infinitely beyond any given "Observable universe" that any given finite experiencer would be experiencing within an infinite amount of space. This is the major leagues concerning human conceptualization. We are conceptualizing eternity here in this cosmology, not just finite objects that exist within eternity. This cosmology is for the serious thinkers out there, the ones who are unsatified with anything that falls short of an eternal description of existence.

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[Rob Peritz]

Excellent and necessary post northjetti, well said.

To correctly explain Reality and how matter exists in space it is necessary to explain how waves in space can create and support matter in space. In WSM Cosmology words are being redefined to correctly describe reality.

Currently, when most people think of the word Universe they are thinking of all that exists but we are attempting to change human understanding of what the Universe, in reality, actually is.

In WSM Cosmology the word Universe means; All of Infinite Space, as the One thing existing, with Properties of a Continuous Infinite Eternal Wave Medium.

Currently, when most people think of the Observable Universe they are thinking of all that humans can actually see using all current technology, but we are attempting to change human understanding of what the Observable Universe, in reality, actually is.

In WSM Cosmology Observable Universe means; any and all finite regions in infinite space wherein the (in waves) and the (out waves) of wave centers (within a particular finite region of infinite space) are interacting to form matter that is observable from the central location of a particular wave center in and of infinite space.

All matter we see and interact with is a construct of Infinite Space, formed by the Properties of the One thing existing, the Continuous Infinite Eternal Wave Medium. From our location in and of space we can only observe a tiny fraction of the one thing existing but because we are also formed of the one thing existing we can know what exists beyond our Observable Universe even if we can never actually physically leave this finite region of space.

The conundrum of the standard model of physics is that there is not enough matter in space to support all of the other matter in our observable universe so the theory of dark matter and dark energy (there is no prove of either) have been imagined to support the big bang/expanding Universe theory...
The WSM explanation of reality answers this riddle

The term Observable Universe has been around for a long time, we are attempting to redefine that term to correctly describe a finite location of Infinite Space (the One thing existing, with Properties of a Continuous Infinite Eternal Wave Medium) by claiming that our observable universe is only one of an infinite quantity of wave centers peering out into the Infinite Universe.
~rob

[Bill Back]

Observable (uni)verses must have the potential to be infinite to be connected to all other spherical universes. We see with our mind. Our eyes detect light that is processed into a picture(hologram?). The infinite universe is not easy to visualize for humans unless we use the cooperative mind we all share, from all points of view.

Bill
Here & Now

[northjetty]

Bill for all we know, this could be the beginning of just that. If we could some how connect with other observers from different areas of experience within space we would certainly gain in our perspective and our self knowledge. We probably need to unify things a bit here on earth before we're ready to extend our hand in friendship to beings that exist else where in eternal space. You're right about that.

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[Lazyman]

[northjetty]

10^80 of 'observation' from any given 'SSW center' in 'infinite space'. As Geoff says, we need an illustration of this effect. Maybe you guys can come up with something that can illustrate this. We're looking at every SSW center as having a spherical 10^80 around itself for it's observable range of experience where it can interact with other matter in infinite space. So there is an 'overlapping effect' throughout infinite space. This actually clarifies the multiverse issue. The illusion of a contained universe is caused by the 10^80 range of experience within infinite space, and there are multiple SSW centers, thus multiple 'observable universes' of 10^80. This is a good description because the 10^80 is all that can be experienced from any given SSW center in infinite space, but yes, I can see how this could still seem a little complicated for people who are unfamiliar with this specific model. An illustration would help that considerably.

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[Lazyman]

I've got the general idea of the concept, I just think that 'observable finite spherical universe' is a bit of a mouthful, hence my alternative suggestion(s).

I must give an illustration some thought....

[northjetty]

10^80 sphere of interaction works perfectly. "Observable universe" suggests a sphere of interaction for sure. I see that the main problem that we would face here is through the "observable all that exists" way of interpreting the terminology, good point Lazyman. I'm sure Harry would agree there from the direction of the "multiverse" thread. But it does describe "all that exists, which is observable" (universe observable), from the perspective of any given SSW center in infinite space. That just occurred to me here.

In any case, this is Geoff's simplification of the terminology for use on the forum, so it merely serves as a term for properly communicating the reality of our experiencing about 10^80 of an infinite reaching space. I don't see why you or any one else couldn't use 'interaction sphere' or 'sphere of interaction' as long as it is referring to 10^80. That's a sound wsm term as well.

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[haselhurst]

Hi guys,
I am really appreciating your contributions.

I think;

Observable universe = interactive sphere = sphere of interaction = sphere of mutual influence = sphere of reciprocity.

In WSM, to observe something requires a sharing of spherical in and out waves, thus a sharing / overlapping of finite spheres for wave interactions to take place.

Ultimately humanity will decide which language they prefer, but on this forum it is up to us.

I am happy with 'observable universe' as both terms are well known, and combine in a meaningful way that is consistent with reality.

Lazyman - I was going to phone you - then got lost in other work (I am really struggling, dong about ten things at once, all very slowly. but I do hope to get on top of it all over next month. So I will call, and we can discuss diagrams here too).

We need one that shows how out waves from matter around us can form into our in waves.
You would need to use circles rather than spheres obviously - to represent this on 2D screen.
Then you can show that once you go out a certain distance you find that on average each source is hidden behind a closer source (wave center), and its out waves have become the closer wave center's in waves that then continue on to become part of our in waves. So you can see that this further matter does not directly contribute to our in waves, and cannot be counted. This is how we get the finite from the infinite!

Another way of creating spherical wave center is to have a series of moving parallel lines (representing planar wave fronts - which spherical waves tend to at large distances). Then copy and rotate these (while keeping originals) so these parallel waves / lines are moving across the screen from all directions (start with 36 rotations at 10 degrees would be a useful approximation - though 10^80 is more correct!).

Then by positioning them correctly you will find they create a spherical wave center 'point particle' effect.

This method is probably truer to reality, that waves are flowing in from infinite space in all directions - but they have a finite energy / wave amplitude.

The advantage of this method is that then you should be able to slow the velocity of the parallel waves from one direction (would have to progressively slow waves as you rotated angle from this one direction) and you should get the effect of the wave center moving.

Superimpose two of these moving wave center diagrams and you will miraculously see that while you have started with planar waves (represented by straight lines) that interfere to produce spherical waves (represented by circles) - they then interfere (when wave center is moving / repositioning) to produce planar de broglie waves with very high velocity for slow relative motion c^2 / v.
(And I think this planar de Broglie wave relates to 'Brane theory' which evolved from string theory - based on idea of intersecting membranes, which are really planar waves)

Combine all this into a series of wave diagrams and you have explained fundamentals of force and all matter interactions.

The final step is to do all this using maths equations to determine wave velocity and how it varies with higher wave amplitude (faster wave velocity, like water waves - explains charge), and higher space density (square of wave amplitude, slower wave velocity - explains gravity).

Showing these planar wave fronts curving as they travel past the sun (higher space density thus slower wave velocity) would also be very useful, as would showing how the earth orbits about the sun due to the same effect (what we call gravity).

Hope this helps - hope others get involved and help - as this is important.

Cheers,
Geoff

[nisarga]

moved as new post headed Walter Russell

[haselhurst]

Hi James,
I have read a bit of his work, and I know Genku who used to run the organisation.
I find the physics a bit lacking - but it is close to the truth. Milo Wolff's work provides much stronger foundations.

I think your post should really be a new post (can you move it) and this should stay true to 'observable universe'

This is my summary, using this terminology of a finite spherical observable universe.

"We only see and interact with other matter in our observable universe which exists as a finite spherical region of infinite space."

"Each wave center 'particle' is at the center of its observable universe within infinite space."

"Cosmology / Mach's Principle: The in waves of our wave centers are formed from a Huygens combination of the out waves of about 10^80 other wave centers that exist in our observable universe within infinite space."

Can we proceed with this. In which case it should be added as a new post in our completed section below.

Definitions: Physics: Cosmology: Finite Spherical Observable Universe Infinite Space

Geoff

[Lazyman]