"When forced to summarize the general theory of relativity in one sentence: Time and space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter. ... Physical objects are not in space, but these objects are spatially extended ... thus the concept of particles cannot play a fundamental part, ... and can only appear as a limited region in space in which the field strength or energy density are particularly high."
(Albert Einstein, Metaphysics of Relativity, 1950)
"It is my firm belief that the last seven decades of the twentieth century will be characterized in history as the dark ages of theoretical physics. ... The quantum world is a world of waves, not particles."
(Carver Mead, Professor Emeritus at Caltech. Received $500,000 Lemelson-MIT Prize in 1999)
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Rob Peritz
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: 'the beauty of it all |
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Hi there,
It's nice to know that there are places like this out there.... places where people can catch a wave and relax with it. so.....
Perhaps The Wave Structure of Matter is truth to our reality, our realm, our universe but I have a feeling that (WSM) is only the tip of an iceberg floating at the base of an eternal glacier. But at least we can try to understand the water molicule we find ourselves in.
This understanding of existance is limited to the selfaware perspective of of the human mind. I can only view existance from a keyhole and perhaps from out of the truth and knowledge of where I find myself a key will someday be within my reach to unlock the door. But then again I so enjoy being human that if a greater truth and understanding does exist beyond what is reality for me and I become something other than Human, will I forever long for what was behind door number one. I don't know and that's the beauty of being human. -rob peritz
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haselhurst Site Admin

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Hi Rob,
You are a romantic aren't you!
I think most people would agree with you. But i find it very hard to believe that space does not really exist, it dominates my daily life (existing in space) and when we assume that it exists as a wave medium it does work (by rules of science / metaphysics philosophy physics).
So keep an open mind - it is true that many things we imagine do not really exist, that our senses are incomplete (looking through the keyhole!)
The point is to use reason to overcome these problems - to understand the subtle connection between things that we experience as discrete and separate objects.
Anyway, thanks for posting and saying hello. Hope your space is being kind to you!
Cosmos,
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Rob Peritz
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Hello there Haselhurst,
Thanks for the swift reply. You seem to be a kind and a patient person. So I'll take your advice to heart. (to keep an open mind and to try and use reason) However, I am somewhat overwhelmed by all of this "space" and that which occupies it. I hope we find the cosmic library someday soon.
A romantic? Perhaps. My point of view comes from being out on the ocean, alone at the helm, steering a course through the stars above, and as always, being in love. So forgive me if I tend to ramble. I am no scholar, nor am I a scientist. Just a high school drop out whose life is blessed with an abundance of happiness, a vision of beauty and love.
Ride the wave~~~~~~~~
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haselhurst Site Admin

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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:24 am Post subject: |
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Hello there Mr Rob,
You seem to have a good perspective for life. I live near the ocean, I often look at the waves rolling in, think about the wave structure of matter, how everything around me can be formed from waves in space. At times it seems kinda weird and crazy - other times it seems so obvious and logical to me (so I get frustrated with the difficulties of getting this knowledge at least known to world / visible on the internet).
Anyway, just a short reply.
Take care, keep smiling.
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Steve Anthony

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Hi Rob,
A fine example of 'non-division'!
It's true, we get so involved with all this thinking, sometimes, that we forget to just 'be'. (When we discover the 'point' to it all, what will we do then?)
I'll be spending as much time as I can in the wilderness (not so far from me), very soon. In fact, many people believe that I am already in a 'psychological wilderness', all of my own (I'm happy to believe them, as i've seen 'theirs', and don't think we can survive it!)
It is interesting how the 'sciences' and 'religions' are all pointing at the same thing, and yet still refusing to acknowledge each other!
( "I am Brian!" - "No! I am Brian!" - "NO! I AM BRIAN, AND SO IS MY WIFE!" )
Hope we can all learn to be as happy as you, in time.. Otherwise, what's the point?
Cheers,
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Rob Peritz
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Well now, two posts to reply to, I am humbled.
Hello again Mr. Haselhurst, (or do you prefer Geoff?)
It seems to me that you are quite sure of your intuitions on the wave structure of Matter and I think it is quite honorable indeed that because you feel so strongly about WSM's truth and how it could change the perspective of humanity, and so enlighten us, that you are devoting massive amounts of your 'time' managing two websites to clarify and debate this obvious and logical theory of yours. Good on ya mate!
Don't let those all to human moments of uncertainty (weird and crazy) cloud your vision. Some of us are hoping that you have found the key. The thing about the key and the keyhole is, that for a brief moment the key will fill the hole and there is that instant of uncertainty when one wonders if it is the right key~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hey, you'll find the key, but it's a big 'ole door, you may need help turning it. Standing on the shoulders of those who came before us we can open any door in any universe at any time. Make time to relax more, love and be loved and try to see the beauty of it all.
-rob
Hello Knotty Nuf-Rumi,
A wise man never loses the wilderness within but a wiser man never loses the wilderness without. I just made that up and I don't know if it makes any sense but I live to be outdoors. I love being on the ocean, on the beach in the forest on the side of a cliff rain or shine and I love wind. I love this planet. I feel so blessed to be here and to be here at this time. It's amazing and humbling and beautiful. So confusing and enlightening so full of life and of mysteries. I could keep on going with this but there's just Knotty Nuf-Rumi on the internet to describe this reality and so I'll just stop right here.
Enjoy your ''time' in the wilderness. I have no idea what becomes of us when we die but if it is anything like being in the wilderness then we are the luckiest beings in the universe.
I surmise that the sciences and religions of this world are like stepping stones in an ocean. In theories and miracles we perceive the unknown. Do you think Jesus thought "oh my God I'm performing a miracle" when he walked across water or was he just manipulating 'space' by using science. Dare I say that Jesus used a simple law from the “Wave Structure of Matter” to walk on water? This is making me thirsty. I’m going to go and get me a glass of ice cold Earth Water (It’s the best in the universe and I’ll go to my grave believing that) and then I think I’ll lay down in bed next to my lovely wife and sleep for a spell.
Thanks for the nice things you said.
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Rob Peritz
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Mr Haselhurst,
It’s been a little while and I think I finally understand what you meant in your reply to my initial post. Let me first say that I was only introducing myself and trying to appear intelligent knowing that, at a glance, your website was huge and would take time to sift through and even more time to comprehend.
Well now, after diving in to WSM I can still see my waves moving out from me but now I can see your waves converging on my center. I still have a lot to learn, as we all do, but I think my inner eye just opened wider than it ever did on mushrooms, mathematics or quiet moments of enlightenment. And I’d like to thank you for that.
In summery just let me say this. (Read this next sentence out loud with a Scottish accent )
“Great Scott! You damn well may have found the key to the door of the cosmic library.” And if you have, I’d like a library card please because I’d like to check out a few books namely;
Time Travel for Dummies, and, What becomes of our thoughts/experiences/soul/wave centers when we die here on Earth. And, Everything you always wanted to know about Gravity but were afraid to ask. And of course the universal best seller, Earth, it’s where I hang my hat.
Sorry I’m a little off center sometimes and tend to ramble. But I do have a few serious questions for you. I’ve always drawn the “figure eight” over and over and over again scribbling on napkins or in my journals and I’ve always thought that the point where the two circles cross or connect was the key somehow. Now when I saw your diagram of waves in and out, from and to, center I immediately thought of my figure eight. Now here’s the questions, and I surmise that the answer is somewhere on your website and that I just haven’t found it yet.
What is the energy source? What energy disperses the waves radiating out from the center?
Are, the waves, the energy source themselves? And if they are where do they come from?
I’m confused about this but when I think of the figure eight and how it would appear three dimensional almost like a sphere and then how it could draw into itself waves of energy from nearby, retaining similar waves like itself, burning up some waves as fuel and throwing off waves that it cannot use for an energy source or to build itself up into whatever form of matter it will become or has become. My reasoning intuition tells me that this could be truth. For example, the Sun. Could it be a giant three dimensional figure eight? What do you think? How far off center am I here? You can be abrupt I try to see the beauty in all things even criticism.
No hurry’s mate.
Is this what you are trying to explain to us all.
WSM is the pulling together of the one and only existence using the principal of Ockhams Razor wherein finite universes like our own can exist, and can be connected, on the grandest of scales, (space), while at the same time using the same reasoning to explain how on a quantum scale we are all connected. WSM, then, is Einstein’s unifying theory of everything.
What you are saying is that all of the chalkboard formulas can now be condensed down to one short and simple equation.
The thought, (science) and gut feeling, (spirit/soul) that, we are one, that all of this ‘space, motion and matter’ we witness and experience albeit through an Earthlings keyhole view, and, has permeated time as we experience it for as long as humanity can remember, is somehow interconnected and has finally been proven, and so, is the one truth that we have been seeking.? Over time our hearts and minds have imagined innumerable reasons to explain our desire, almost necessity, to pull it all together, but as reason has it, there is only one truth and that is this: We are energy in the form of wave structures of matter pulsating within a finite universe in space infinitely connected. Simply put, we are one. Or, I am
Thank you sir,
-rob Peritz
The iceberg is melting~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~“Iam” forever the ocean,~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No regrets.
-rob peritz
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Steve Anthony

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Hello Knotty Nuf-Rumi,
A wise man never loses the wilderness within but a wiser man never loses the wilderness without....
...It's amazing and humbling and beautiful...
...Enjoy your ''time' in the wilderness. I have no idea what becomes of us when we die but if it is anything like being in the wilderness then we are the luckiest beings in the universe...
...Thanks for the nice things you said.
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Couldn't agree more, Rob!
I'm currently living on the outskirts of Helsinki, a big city, but quite unlike any other i've ever visited!
I can walk for 20 minutes, and reach a place where no other Human, nor any sign thereof, exists!
Yesterday I was privileged to almost bump into a Moose! ('Elk', where you are?) I say 'Privileged', but this 'beast' was over 2 metres tall at the shoulder, and left me trembling in my boots! - even though it was more scared of me...
In our brief exchange of glances, I perceived a truely magnificent creature, but was all too aware that it could not think the same of me!
Ashamed, I sat on a convenient boulder, and though the birds consoled me with a song, and the first Butterfly of the year waved a 'hello' in my direction, my only true 'friend' was a Mosquito, and even he wanted 'payment' for entering his domain!
- Truely, if we want to be part, once again, of our Real home, we must learn to give a little, if not an awful lot, back to those who we have stolen from for so long. They will forgive us, in time, and even reward us with acceptance, as long as we 'play by the rules' and keep exchanging waves with our beautiful cousins.
As I walked home, I scratched my arm, then scratched my head, and thought to myself, "Wow! I've just met a Moose! - Been serenaded by the birds! - Waved at by the first Butterfly of the year!" The tiny drop of blood I had to donate, seemed like hardly any 'payment' at all...
I'm hoping that we will be able to see the error of abusing our 'luck', before it all runs out...
Best wishes to you and yours,
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Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:10 am Post subject: |
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Hi Rob,
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| Quote: | What is the energy source? What energy disperses the waves radiating out from the center?
Are, the waves, the energy source themselves? And if they are where do they come from?
I’m confused about this but when I think of the figure eight and how it would appear three dimensional almost like a sphere and then how it could draw into itself waves of energy from nearby, retaining similar waves like itself, burning up some waves as fuel and throwing off waves that it cannot use for an energy source or to build itself up into whatever form of matter it will become or has become. My reasoning intuition tells me that this could be truth. For example, the Sun. Could it be a giant three dimensional figure eight? What do you think? How far off center am I here? You can be abrupt I try to see the beauty in all things even criticism. |
Waves propagate energy - so the reason that matter and energy are equivalent (Einstein) is because they are both caused by wave motions of space. Thus energy must ultimately be in the form of elasticity / motion of space (a wavelike oscillation between the two).
Where do these waves come from? A typical human question. The answer is obvious - space is the one thing that exists, thus it has always existed (infinite and eternal). As it is a wave medium, thus the waves have always existed. And to be more precise, where do our spherical In-Waves come from - they are formed from a Huygens combination of the Out-Waves of all other matter in our finite spherical universe (within infinite space). See Cosmology pages at website.
I am not sure about the significance of the Infinity symbol (and I am not sure it is logical to argue such things, as I assume the symbol is arbitrary).
But it is true, there are many diverse wave patterns in atoms, so amongst them there is this similar shape (e.g. the three pairs of 'p' orbitals of electrons in atoms - if you remember your chemistry!)
But the sphere is the most significant shape - over large distances matter interacts spherically - our universe is spherical.
Hope this helps a bit to keep melting that iceberg, immersing your body & mind in the unity of all things!
It is a pleasure for me to see other minds grappling with this knowledge - seeing sparks of illuminated thought briefly flicker! So good on you!
Cosmos,
Geoff
PS - To Steve. You write very nicely about Nature. I relate, as I have lived in the bush for ten years now - the trees and birds and kangaroos are my friends (I often joke with Karene that Nature is my friend). You have the ability to write a lovely book on nature and unity of reality, with a strong sense of moral kindness.
Having said that - Nature is also brutal at times - we should be realistic rather than romantic about this if we expect to survive for any length of time here on earth - learn to protect Nature, and ourselves from its blind processes. |
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Steve Anthony

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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:24 am Post subject: writing |
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Hi geoff,
Thanks for your kind words on my writing style! I'm about four chapters into a 'metaphysical fantasy', based on Nature of Reality, that I am writing at the moment, and your insistance on Truth has given me a new angle to work from ...So thanks for that, also!
You are quite right about Nature being brutal, at times, and it cannot either be 'blamed' on the Human race. However, we have 'developed' to such a degree now that we threaten ourselves and all other 'life' as we currently understand it.
Right here, and Now, is the point at which we desperately need to know more about the Nature of ourselves, in order to prevent these 'blind processes', as you say.
The (Human) world seems to be concentrating on its brutal aspect so much, in recent times, that it is forgetting its beauty.
You and I know that Nature is a Real balance of the beautiful and the brutal, and that it just is what it is, but you or I don't push the buttons... Or do we? ... ...
Say 'Hi' to the 'roos for me! (I'm very jealous now...)
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