Saying 'Hi', and Thanks!

[Steve Anthony]

Hi Geoff, Karene!

Firstly, congratulations on producing such a wonderful, informative, and essential website!
I've been reading for the last two weeks, and now realise I could probably spend the rest of my life here, trying to let the 'details' sink in! However, the 'gist' of what you are trying to relate is already resonating with my thoughts.

I come from a musical/artistic kind of background (I say 'kind of' because I've had no 'formal' training...). I've very much lived a sort of 'hermit-like' life, on the fringes of society, really, and didn't come away from 'school' with much in the way of qualifications. This is not because I didn't want to learn, but that I could not 'conform' to a system which was more interested in discipline than learning. The 'artistic' lifestyle appealed to me for these reasons.

I note with interest the amount of people who proclaim, "Glad I found you! I thought I was going mad, alone with my thoughts!" ...and I'm also pleased that I'm not alone!

If I may, i'd like to post a piece that I have written recently. Like you, I spend as much time as I can wandering in 'Nature' (my real home!) and there I write, or compose. I'm hoping that this will give you more of an insight into my 'thinking', than just stating "I am this, or that..."


...So, here’s a thing!
Scientists have recently discovered that the ‘act of looking’ at a particle, will cause it to stop frantically searching for ‘like-atoms’ to merge with, and steady itself, rather like a rabbit caught in a beam of torch light. It will sit transfixed, until some ‘outside force’ decides its fate. It is, in fact, ‘the act of looking’ which provides the energy required to create order, in the life of a chaotic existence. The particle would have to be ‘aware’ that it is being ‘looked at’.
Is this an Electro-magnetic attraction; consciousness at atomic particle level, or both (one and the same)? Could we therefore deduce from this that, ‘Light is the medium that creates order, in a Universe which is predominantly chaotic’? Or, that Light and Consciousness are (of) the same thing? (I am tempted speculate that the Electron of an Atom, and ‘Consciousness’, are one and the same thing; the ‘brain’ being merely an interpretive ‘organ’, though capable of complex abstraction, and storage of such!)
Energy is everything, and is therefore always a consequence of itself, continually unfolding anew. Consciousness has no choice but to manifest in the same way, being another ‘form’ of Energy, and subject to all the same ‘laws’ of the Universe. Humans seem to have evolved more than their fair share of the ability to interpret the ‘all pervading’ consciousness, but with which, also comes a responsibility to use our ‘abstraction abilities’ as wisely as we can.

Sorry for the ‘aside’, but consider for a moment that We represent ‘the rabbit’, sitting ‘transfixed’ before a decision is to be made. When we are caught between opposing possibilities, we are transfixed in the moment of decision making, and it is so, so easy to just sit and wait for some ‘outside force’ to make our decisions for us. If this ‘outside force’ does not appear before the decision has to be made, we have to search within ourselves to find an ‘answer’, or to take a ‘direction’. Usually, our ‘power of responsibility’ is freely given to Politicians, Teachers, Priests, or Parents; the ‘law’, or some other ‘authority’, so that we don’t have to face the most difficult decisions, or decide upon the most ‘taboo’ of subjects.
However, the responsibility doesn’t go away. The ‘authority’ now has more and more responsibility to ‘deal’ with, in whichever way it sees fit. Here is the point, at which it becomes essential to promote the wisest ‘authority’ we can, because as the population not only grows, but also becomes less and less responsible, more and more responsibility will be directed at the ‘authority’ in question. If we cannot take our own responsibility seriously, we should at least make sure that we hand it over to those who can!
This is now a much bigger issue that ‘which country?’ or, which religion?’ an individual ‘believes’ in. In the new ‘whole-world’, ‘global’ situation, we have to acknowledge the new territory this covers. We will need ‘New kinds of thinkers’, and people of wisdom and forethought to take us into this ‘new territory’. We will have to re-learn the values of ‘trust’ and ‘responsibility’, for these are the only real ‘counter-options’ to our ‘weapons of mass destruction’. How dare we even pretend to be ‘civilised’, when such things exist?
Human beings are ‘weapons of mass creation’ , and with that title comes a responsibility such as the world has never yet seen. We will have to reach new levels of responsibility, trust, wisdom and forethought. The unthinking counterbalance to that, is our ‘weapons of mass destruction’. WMD represents our unconscious Selves (as a species), and we will use them, rather than face the responsibility of being wise, truthful, and forethoughtful Creators, if we continue in an unthinking way.

“Returning to old values” is not an option that ‘Gods True Nature of Continually Unfolding Energy’ will let us have. Life simply unfolds, and nothing that ‘was’ can ever ‘be’ again. It will shift and change, learn and evolve, because that is what ‘life’ is.
‘Infinite Energy, Unfolding Anew’.
‘Consciousness’ is a part of that Energy, and ‘Life’ (as we currently know it) is the interpreter of that Consciousness. ‘Science’ currently ‘believes’ that ‘Consciousness interprets life’, but that is the wrong way to look at it. It is the other way around…
“Life interprets Consciousness”
This the root of where ‘dualism’ lies. Man has traditionally believed that he is the sole ‘possessor’ of Consciousness, and, as such, sees ‘life’ as something separate from ‘consciousness’ (which is, after all, god-given). And so, ‘life’ and ‘consciousness’ are separated. ‘Consciousness’, being ‘god-given’, must therefore, of necessity, be ‘good’, which automatically puts anything in opposition to it in the ‘bad’ box. It is easy to see how such an unconscious doctrine could perceive ‘life’ as ‘bad’, and hence the need to be transcended into some ‘heaven’, where ‘the next life’ will once again be ‘good’.
Humans represent the latest interpretation of the phenomena we have come to know as ‘Life’, and, as such, I love this life, and would just hate to see such beautiful phenomena destroyed by our lack of understanding. This is the essential reason for my ‘wanting to know’, at all. I can only presume that other Humans would want to know, for the same reasons.
People must have, at very least, an understanding of the power of their own responsibility. Without this, the entire race (and a vast number of infinitely beautiful other life forms on this planet) is doomed to its own unconscious acts of destruction.

Responsibility minus wisdom, equals Weapons of mass destruction.
Responsibility PLUS wisdom, equals Weapons of mass Creation.

We can forget ‘space’. It won’t matter if nothing is left to interpret it. In fact, Nature cares not one way or the other, for it will continue to evolve some other species, after our demise. It will learn from the mistake that is ‘us’, and it will build something better. It will equip another species with greater capacity for understanding; greater capacity to use power responsibly; greater vision; greater appreciation of its own creativity.
‘Time’ does not exist in the REAL world, where another 4 billion years is but another ‘second’, and the fantastic mysteries, that we can’t even dream about yet, will be revealed to some ‘other’ species, that deserves better, to know. This is a sad thing for those Humans who can become this ‘other’ species; who can take responsibility, and who can see the beauty in themselves and all else, as representatives of the ‘Unfolding of Infinite Energy’… If this is not ‘God’, then I declare ‘Him’ Non-existent… and Humans too!
We have to learn to think ‘beyond Human’. There is a ‘next stage’. We are the ‘missing link’, between Ape-man and Space-man (This is ‘hinted’ at in much art and literature. E.g. Nietzsche’s ‘Superman’, and Arthur C. Clarke’s ‘2001 – A space odyssey’). We need to elect the wisest of our species, in order to achieve this ‘step’. We need to educate ourselves about the ‘power of responsibility’. We need to go forwards. ‘Backwards’ has never been an option, and it never will be…

Without ‘Balance’, compassion can become ‘insane’. ‘Insanity’ could therefore be interpreted as ‘Compassion, or lack of, in it’s extremes’. ‘Too much’ is just as ‘mad’ as ‘too little’. In fact, ‘extremes’ of anything could be interpreted as ‘insane’, as any ‘specialization’ in Nature, always leads to ‘stagnation’ and eventual ‘non-existence’ (e.g. ‘the Panda’). ‘Too much’ compassion is therefore subject to the same ‘laws’ of specialization.
We continue to ‘crucify’ the wisest, most intelligent, and creative of our species, and we do it in the name of ‘God’, or the ‘safety of the society’. This is our ‘on-going insanity’. Our problem is power. We will not let go of it. We are like a dog with a choice bone, once we seize power over something. Even if our gums are bleeding, and our teeth hanging out, we simply will not let it go. We may starve to death, having destroyed our ability to eat anything more, but at least some other dog won’t get what we’ve got.
Does this sound like a wise and forethoughtful world policy?
We ARE ‘Mad’ to continue to live in the way we have been doing for the last few thousand years. Only the wise, the visionary, the honest and truthful can dig us out of this madness. Only the sane and forethoughtful, those truly beautiful people like Gandhi, or 'Jesus', or Dalai Lama, can truly ‘guide’ us, as a species, to understand and go forwards, and yet we either murder or ignore them, whenever they ‘reveal’ themselves, out from the ‘crowd’.
It doesn’t matter whether you ‘believe’ in ‘God’, or ‘Jesus’, or not. It truly matters what you do with the ‘spirit’ that is given to you at birth. To waste it, fulfilling someone else’s materialistic dreams, is simply to waste it. We give up our ‘power (of responsibility)’ willingly; for that is the only way anybody can take it from you… At very least, we should develop the wisdom to give it to someone who cares, someone who will not waste it, someone who will not use it for their own benefit. Or, better still, find that ‘someone’ within yourself, and learn to use any Love, Spirit, or Power that comes your way, in a wise and responsible manner. For this is our only true ‘duty’, as representatives of the ‘Infinite Unfolding of Life’s Energy’.
So, why are so few people ever brave enough to BE like ‘Jesus’, instead of just ‘following’ Him? …It’s simple, really…we still ‘crucify’ his kind...


Sorry if this is too much/long. I know there is much speculation here, and you are really interested in facts...
I just really wanted to say .."Thanks!"

Love and Light,

Steve.

[Steve Anthony]

I came across something very recently, which I know is just a point of view, but a damaging one, in my opinion, and I'm sure the originator would believe vice versa! Rather than blindly infiltrate anothers thread, i'll post a reply on my own...If that's ok?

There is a saying:- "The Universe has no obligation to respect the limitations of the minds and senses of those who contemplate it."

I couldn't disagree more!

The 'minds and senses' are just as much a part of the 'Universe' itself, and what the statement therefore says is "The Universe has no obligation to respect itself!" This is, of course, a purely Human statement, and refers to the fact that Humans are the parts of the Universe that have no respect for themselves or anything of which they are part. As long as Man distances himself from the rest of his Universal Nature, he can have no respect for anything he considers 'outside'. The sadly unconscious belief that this provokes is that Man condemns himself to be an 'outsider', forever unknowing that he is, in reality, 'part of'.

'Man' is a tiny part of the phenomena we have called 'God', 'Nature', 'Universe', which is all the same thing...

(Call me a GNU sniffer, see if I care!! )

Love and Light,

Steve.

[haselhurst]

Hi Steve,
Thanks for interesting post. I think we share a lot of similar views. I would like to reply in detail - please give me a few days.
Just wanted to say thanks for now, I agree with much of what you write.
And there is a small emerging group of us that think this way - and using internet we may just be able to get this knowledge (with good science foundations) out into world, and thus actually do some good.
I am convinced that truth is the most powerful 'weapon' for changing nature of our world / society.
Hope over time we can experience this - do good things.
Take care, will reply in detail later.
Cosmos,
Geoff

[Steve Anthony]

You're most welcome, Geoff!

Sorry for the drifting thoughts... I'm tying a string on to them, as I type!!
-just wanted to give you an insight into some of the chaos going on between my ears!

I shall attempt to refrain from the rhetoric...and in the meantime, just let me say..

Thank God for science!!

Steve.

[Steve Anthony]

Not being from a scientific background, I simply try to visualize, fully understanding that I may have it all wrong… I am keen to visualize correctly though, so please tear to shreds anything that needs to be torn!


When I first started reading on this wonderful site, I started off by thinking that Motion must be the medium that ’creates’ our Universe, given that Space is Infinite, but our Universe finite. For what I have read so far about the WSM tells me that we exist within a finite Universe, but as part of Infinite Space. Hence the question, ‘In Infinite Space, what is it that makes our Universe ‘finite’?’ I wrote the thoughts down, as they came to me, and I quote them straight from my notebook…

“If this Universe is finite (has boundaries) but Space is Infinite, and ALL that exists is Space, with Motion, doesn’t that equate that this Universe = Motion (of Infinite Space)? Our existence is purely a case of movement?

Geoff - Should really write wave motion of space rather than just motion. It is space that exists, and has properties of a wave medium for (spherical standing) wave motions that form matter. These spherical standing waves are finite (size of our universe) within infinite space.

Could it mean that other ‘Universal spheres of Motion’ exist within the rest of Infinity? In fact, would it not be highly likely? This Universe would then be seen as just another ‘drop’ in the ‘sea of Infinity’.

Geoff - Correct. Infinite space has infinite number of finite spherical universes. Thus we must conclude that life is infinite (but perhaps there is none in our visible finite spherical universe within infinite space).

Could this mean that ‘Space’ is therefore in a kind of ‘perfect balance’, but also that ‘imperfect balance’ exists as ‘drops’, one of which we call ‘the Universe’? ‘Infinite Space’ would be ‘perfect balance, with the potential to become imperfect’.

Geoff - Philosophy teaches us to be careful with words. 'Perfect' is a difficult word! By perfect i mean that space always acts as a wave medium, waves always behave 'perfectly' as per the properties of space.

Is there some aspect of ‘Motion’, which sometimes makes it finite? Does it just lose its potential at a certain distance from the centre? Rather like the waves created by a pebble being dropped onto the centre of a lake, and if the lake is big enough there will not be enough energy from the original ‘cause’ to make the wave move indefinitely?”

Geoff - Its just that our In-Waves are only formed from a finite number of other matter's out-waves within infinite space. Milo Wolff and I have shown this with two different calculations - which explain both Mach's Principle and redshift with distance. See;
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Cosmology.htm#equation.cosmos


Then, another thought...

“…Or, is it that Space AND Motion exist infinitesimally (as in and out waves), but that THIS Universe appears as some ‘anomaly’ in the ‘Balance’? The elliptical properties of this region of Infinity are what cause the phenomenon we call ‘Universe’. This would suggest that Space (with Motion) outside of our Universe is ‘Non-elliptical’, or ‘Balanced’… Could this further suggest that ‘Elliptical (imperfect) Space’ (our Universe) has an ‘Evolving (growing) Influence’ over ‘Balanced (perfect) Space’ (Infinity), which we observe as ‘The Universe Expanding’? Could an ‘elliptical out-wave’ have influence over a ‘balanced in-wave’, or vice-versa?”

Geoff - Well wave motion of space does exist to infinity, but we only interact with a finite sphere of it, our finite spherical universe.


Geoff, if i'm another 'crackpot' that has no real grasp, please forgive me, and I'll fully understand if you want to delete this post. I AM trying to learn, so maybe you could see it as 'one of the ways in which the layman visualizes wrongly'!!?
One of the things I DO understand, is that the 'layman' needs to know these things, if we want to raise the awareness levels among Humans...

Does anyone else have any 'visualizations', or thoughts on the possibilities of Infinity? Is it wise to speculate in this way, or would you rather I/we didn't? Who knows, someone may come up with an ideal 'simple model' for explaining the WSM in terms that the 'multitude' are just dying to know about?

Again, I hope none of this is detrimental to your wishes, Geoff, and if so, you won't offend by scrapping it!

Creatures
On
Spheres,
Motions
Of
Space.

Steve

Geoff - I am happy to give my time to anyone who is genuine about learning, has an open skeptical mind (I am very into science, that we abide by its rules to limit human imagination).
Hope you will keep reading on the Wave Structure of Matter - ask questions as required. It is very simple (just waves in space) but these matter wave interactions do get very complex (but that will keep maths physicists busy for several hundred years - which is good!)
However, I am busy, I get quite a lot of emails, so my replies may be delayed at times - or a bit abrupt! But I try to be nice!

Cheers,
Geoff

[haselhurst]

Hi Steve,
I have added comments to your above post.
Relate to page on Cosmology
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Cosmology.htm

Hope it makes sense.
Geoff

[Steve Anthony]

Hi Geoff,

Thanks for taking the time to reply.
It does make sense, and you certainly are nice!

You have the best motivation in the world (if not all of Space!)

Really, my only stumbling block (and it is MINE, not anything I disagree with) is ‘In Infinite Space, what is it that makes our Universe ‘finite’?’ (I know, it's simple...Some entities, out here, are even simpler! )

Now I know that I just need to learn more on the scientific front to understand better. Your comments are immensely useful. (The david bohm page helped me a lot, in visualizing.)

I am posting links to this site from other forums, and have the main link as the 'signature' on my emails.

I will continue to read.

All the best, and thanks once again for your wonderful insight.

Steve.

[haselhurst]

Hi Steve,
Thanks for being polite and kind, helping to get links to this knowledge. It really does help my motivation (which i do struggle with - so much to do, sometimes it overwhelms me, I end up getting demoralised and doing nothing!).

Take care, look forward to further discussions.

Cosmos,
Geoff

[Steve Anthony]

Geoff,

'Tis the nature of the beast, that you should be treading precariously on most peoples' fixed beliefs, I'm afraid!

In the REAL Universe of NO JUDGEMENT, doing nothing has no 'bad' connotations, and is quite possibly a natural reaction to letting ourselves be overwhelmed by others' (or, our own subconscious) opinions.
Taking the time out to re-balance ourselves, seems to me, like a natural 'Tao' approach, which is much missed in a 'modern' society.
Besides which, everybody should have their 'faiths' regularly challenged, anyway! ...How else can they stand the test of 'Truth'?
It's just as easy to see it all in a 'good' light.
(I'm sure you already know all of this! ...but now you know that I know it too!!)

I'm also sure, once the word gets around, there will be people queuing up to help lighten your load. Sorry, I'm not in a position to do much more than post links right now, but who knows? ...It could be just a matter of motion!

So, absolutely nothing to get demoralised over!

(I understand better, your 'position', having read your personal biog. I also have two children from a previous marriage, who live in another country now, and they are subconsciously with me all the time... Rather ironically, {or is it synchronicitously?} my sons birthday is on 10th November!)

Cosmos,
Steve

[haselhurst]

Hi Steve,
You are great, so nice and positive and kind.
Yes I have a pain in my heart each day when I think of my children. I did not work when they were young so we did lots of things together. They are my best friends. I am very stupid with them, kinda crazy philosopher sense of humor, pointing out the madness of the world and our customs, just enjoying being silly! Making a child laugh is a nice gift, for everyone involved.

You have a good cosmic view of things, realise that we are an interconnected part of the universe and the laws of Nature.
Hope we can help one another over time, enjoy the journey, set some good things in motion!
Cosmos,
Geoff

[Steve Anthony]

"Be the change you wish to see in the world!" -Gandhi

I don't know why, but 'words' are never just words, for me. Truely, they are just 'tools' that convey MEANING. The meaning is the all important part; the real motivation behind 'words'. 'Words' are just one method of communication. 'Sounds' are often better at communicating emotions than words are, and 'Touch' is possibly better still! 'Words' are our 'well ordered and civilised' method of condensing all these feelings into a 'common denominator', but they are extremely pale, when compared to the sheer power of 'Touch', or 'Sound'. They are a poor substitute for the REALITY of MEANING.

For me, what really shines out of this web-site is not the 300-400+ pages of Science and Philosophy, the metaphysical genius of Humanities greatest thinkers, or even the sheer brilliance, in it's simplicity, of the WSM itself. What really 'shines', for me, is the Humanity of your motivation.
Finding the solution to the fabled 'Theory of everything', is almost a by-product of wanting to leave beauty in your wake, so that future generations can also witness, and be inspired by it.
This is the 'hidden' MEANING, that many 'doubters' seem to gloss over. Dare I say, even the 'magic ingredient' that helps us see clearly enough to understand in the first place!?
This is also the part that gets conveniently 'forgotten', in a sea of words and equations, opinions and beliefs.
Words, equations, opinions and beliefs all have another 'common denominator', and that is their Human origin. Once we lose track of the Humanity, and specialise in any of these areas for their own sake, we neglect their original MEANING.
These are the 'many', neglecting the 'one'.
Yet, the 'one' and the 'many', are necessarily the same thing... The 'many' being finite parts of the 'one' infinite thing.

Call it 'God', call it 'Space', call it 'Nature', call it whatever you like, just make sure OUR grandchildren are around to 'call it' at all!
The 'religious', the 'political' and the 'scientific' would do well to remember that we are all HUMAN, and that we ALL LOVE OUR CHILDREN.

Behind the 'Theory of Everything', lies the 'MEANING of Everything', and THIS is what makes it such a fantastic place to be...

LIVING is greater than Knowing, as all instinctual 'matter' seems to understand, and Geoff, you are LIVING IT! Which is why, despite not 'knowing' all the science involved, I understand the MEANING involved, and am with you 100%.

Your children can consider themselves very lucky to have you as a Father, wherever in the Universe you may be.

Cosmos, to all,

Steve.