Rob Norberg: WSM Physics Philosophy Metaphysics

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Dear Geoff and Karene (March 1st, 2005)

Wow, who would have thought it: In my continual search, study and readings concerning the nature of the Universe, Reality (which I have always INSISTED is REAL) and Consciousness - a struggle which is intermittently effective given both my feeble memory, as well as the harsh vagaries of my work load as a theatre lighting designer and groveling supplicant at the Feet of the Music Muse (in particular Beethoven, Bartok, Coltrane and McLaughlin) - I should, while specifically re-informing myself on Schrodinger's Wave Equation (via Bohm, Gribbin, and other math websites), happen upon your "web" of intriguing physics!

On Truth & Reality: Physics Philosophy Metaphysics: Wave Structure of Matter

Waves, space, philosophy and pictures of its past icons, and further, images of a beautiful woman - Karene - and links to your store featuring physics and erotica, leads me to say this is wonderfully bizarre! Good on you mates!
While I decided to write before finishing Geoff's article; finishing a complete perusal of the site; and not completing my viewing of M. Wolf's clips, I promise to do so after writing this email. I just had to establish contact with you to thank you for providing me with a new door to exciting new paths. I have been exploring in my very technically limited means, string theory, but it seems to have led to math WAY ABOVE me and to a certain interesting "deadend" until further developments. In addition, I have been intrigued with R. Sheldrake and his resonance approach (with, however, certain fears of its "intelligent design" potential), but again I had not seen any casts to further developments. Maybe the avenue you are providing will help provide a vista for better travels. I am hopeful rewards, and I will get back to you. Thanks

Rob Norberg
Spring Valley (southwestern San Diego county)
PS Please, please do not be offended, but any downloads of Karene in her lovely glory? You started this
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Hi Rob,
Its nice to get enthusiastic letters - thanks. The site is currently undergoing major changes - it is a bit rambling and hard to find central most important arguments at moment (so it takes a bit of patience!).
String theory is maths only - truth comes from waves / resonance. And I must read Sheldrake at some stage.

Bizarre hey! Not the image we really want. But as a philosopher strongly influenced by evolution I find human sexuality fascinating, very important, and really our society has some pretty antiquated attitudes towards sex. Over time we will build a very interesting (and beautiful) evolutionary philosophy of sex section. And you'll have to wait and see what Karene says about some sensual image of her (she is asleep at the moment (it is 7.30 am here). It will make her laugh! Look forward to your further thoughts over time. But well done for having an open curious mind (very rare).
Cosmos,
Geoff
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Geoff and Karene,
Thanks for the rapid reply. Up and at it early I see.

Yes, Karene (as you write in the site about yourself), I too enjoy wine. In fact, I am fanatic about GOOD wine, GOOD food (sorry, I do eat animals), GOOD aural and visual art, GOOD Intimacy, and Caring for the Other. It is at these Intersections of the Senses and the Consciousness, where the REAL meets the Sublime (and dare I say to myself, becomes "religious"?). In a word, for me, this is the reason for living on this plane of existence. Boy have I opened up a can of philosophical worms.

Now, to return to a proper start. From going through your site I must state I am impressed by what you have synthesized. It is truly eye-opening, and a thrill to see how I might be able to finally leave (if I gather things correctly from your synthesis) the interesting but frustrating jungle of particles, strings, quantum gravity, mathematical constructs of multi-dimensions, Higgs Fields, etc, etc. As an aside, the idea of spending billions to create accelerators to try to find the "final" quarks at immense energy levels, to dive "deeper" into what I think you may be defining as Standing Spherical Wave Resonances strikes me as truly misguided, UNLESS what particle physicists are discovering the actual composition of Space itself (I doubt this, for as stated by Wolff in one of the clips, the dimensions of the resonances are MUCH larger than the Plank size). Indeed, I guess I wonder what it is they are measuring.

To return: You see, while I have thoroughly enjoyed Brian Greene's two popular expositions of string theory, I always felt that because of my mathematical liabilities (I never completely finished the basic Calculus courses during my tenure at the University of California at San Diego), I am an inter-loper within a mathematical priest-hood - a dilitante in awe of material I do not really comprehend enough to be able to visually grasp (especially M-Theory). Even appreciating the Kaluba-Klein work and understanding perspectives of "flatworld", how can one really understand our physical world through multi-dimensional, string complexity? I probably am misinterpreting what you are explicating, but I feel I can actually SEE what the Wave Structure of Matter IS! Praised be.. At any rate, I need to digest what I have already read, go over Wolff's site more thoroughly, and put together a series of questions that does your thinking justice. And, in addition, explicate more of my intellectual background and personal trajectories -- so far as it is germane to our ongoing discussions of epistemology and metaphysics. At this point suffice it to say, once again, thank you for your efforts. I have a new way of pondering things.
In Truth, Rob

PS - By the way, my request for a "download", was not necessarily about "smut" --even though I took it as a good natured jab (and can always hope). I guess I was emotionally overtaken by the physics - the exhilaration of finding a new, and at this point, seemingly CLEAN path out of a land of mathematical incorporeality -- and in the midst, was surprised to be treated to the image of a very nice looking woman: a S.S.W. in the "form" of Karene. I hope I did not over-reach and offend. Also, please do not infer by my use of the word "bizarre" as in any way negative. I should have phrased it as finding your site extraordinarily unique, powerful, and an intellectual revelation. Rob
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Hello again Rob,

Yes Karene and I are currently working away on the website (as we do most days - am looking forward to it being good enough that we can have a break). I am impressed by your letters - you are pretty smart and sensible, which is not how I would describe most people (particularly maths physicists - Milo Wolff is an exception!). So it is nice to have a break from writing web pages and actually write to people (just need more time to do both better!)

We are good evolutionists who enjoy eating (nicely roasted) animals (Karene catches most of the fish!). In fact i just read a good article suggesting that our ancestors diet likely was about 70% meat. We now eat way too much cereal / carbohydrate, but science of nutrition is slowly realising that is a mistake (largely forced on us by human overpopulation and agriculture). And I also love GOOD red wine, generally blends of Cab Sav, Shiraz and Merlot which are grown around here (I live near Margaret River and Denmark which both produce good wines - but a bit too expensive).

Rob - "how can one really understand our physical world through multi-dimensional, string complexity? I probably am misinterpreting what you are explicating, but I feel I can actually SEE what the Wave Structure of Matter IS! Praised be"

Geoff - I agree. I always found physics frustrating in its mathematical abstractions (and many paradoxes) - always felt that there was a sensible physical reality behind it. Praised be to a simple sensible (hopefully correct!) description of reality that allows us to truly imagine and understand ourselves and our place in the cosmos.

Rob - "At any rate, I need to digest what I have already read, go over Wolff's site more thoroughly, and put together a series of questions that does your thinking justice. And, in addition, explicate more of my intellectual background and personal trajectories --so far as it is germane to our ongoing discussions of epistemology and metaphysics. At this point suffice it to say, once again, thank you for your efforts. I have a new way of pondering things. In Truth, Rob."

Geoff - What a lovely attitude - i really look forward to your thoughts and questions - and hope that your enthusiasm and intelligence will be very useful in helping us with our work.

And Karene did laugh when i told her this morning that a man wanted a nice image of her. I am used to the biases of sex - Karene's biography gets 70 page views a day - mine gets about 20! But since you are so charming I think you have a good chance of convincing Karene to be accommodating (and it takes quite a lot to offend us - a sense of humour is central to coping with our strange world! - though I am very serious about truth and reality and their importance to a wise humanity).

Do you have a website / biography? I'm curious about you now. Look forward to your further thoughts, have sent this on to Karene so she can reply (that will be interesting!)
Cheers,
Geoff

PS - Can I send this email to a few other people who work on the wave structure of matter? - it is good for them to see some positive results / encouragement of their work.
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Geoff,
Nice reply. I did however want to let you know that little did I actually go through all of your website as I stated before --I had not seen it ALL. I discovered a LOT more and am relishing the read...

You are more than welcome to share my emails -- only good thoughts here! I will be in touch with more. Just to let you know: I have no website for I am just a bozo on this bus, and am a theatre tech person (I work at a community college directing the lighting and audio work for our campus theatre). YOU are the smart one...
Ciao!
Rob

PS - I look forward to the abuse I may get from Karene, as well as the fact that I was I more than pleasantly suprised by seeing Lerner's name on the Cosmology article. You see it was years ago that I read his book "The Big Bang Never Happened" and while I loved it by it's convincing arguments, I had no luck in finding further things written by him --plus couple his thinking to that of Hannes Alfen's ideas (pre WSM?) Rob
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Dear Geoff, (2nd March, 2005)
Thanks for the last email with the clip.

I promise I will write more to you after I have finished going over all of your site. I also will give Karene any ideas I have on your website. However, at this juncture, after all the reading I have done up to this point, I have a simple request that may not endear me. Could you please write a detailed description from the WSM Metaphysic of the following two, everyday cases.

The first, the propagation of light: What occurs when one, A) turns on a light (be it alternating or direct current); and B) ignites a flame (candle, wick). You see I am having trouble understanding energy transfer from Wave Center to Wave Center).

The second (and I cannot for the life of me get the provisos written to you, so be kind because I know this case is obvious): Describe what is going on as we walk through Space. I assume it is the SSWs of all our bodily atoms that are kept discrete from all other matter atoms we meet in Space. I am also assuming that the WSM obviously explains and "uses" the four fundamental forces -- the strong and weak nuclear, gravity and e-m.

One last simple thing: What causes the continued radiating of Outward and Inward Waves between all the radiating SSW Centers throughout the infinite Universe?
Sorry, and I am burnt....
Thanks!
Rob

PS - I am blowing people's minds out at work with the WSM Metaphysics!
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Hi Rob,
What a lovely couple of questions. They are in one sense very obvious, yet it is amazing how few people actually look at the world around them when considering theoretical physics / metaphysics, and actually apply the knowledge to what they see and experience.
And you are absolutely correct, this will assist students of WSM. To help this I have added our email exchanges into the Wave Structure of Matter - Physics Philosophy Metaphysics Forum that I have just finished installing. (Which is this page!)

Assuming you are happy with this, can you please join this forum and we can continue discussion there. Most of the sections are still empty but basic content and structure will be added over next few months (March, April 2005).

For now a few comments to your questions below. I am actually writing up a web page at moment on matter interactions that will include answers to your questions. Give me another week and I will see what i can do!
Geoff

Rob - The first, the propagation of light: What occurs when one, A) turns on a light (be it alternating or direct current); and B) ignites a flame (candle, wick). You see I am having trouble understanding energy transfer from Wave Center to Wave Center).

Geoff - I think it was Faraday who wrote "Explain how you can see a candle and you can explain the world!"
My short answer. It is well known that light is emitted and absorbed by electrons in atoms / molecules. Because of the standing wave structure of matter, these electrons are only stable in certain standing wave patterns / functions which is also well know in Quantum Theory and explains Schrodinger's use of wave equations to determine these discrete energy states. When an electron moves from one wave pattern to another we see it as absorbing or emitting a discrete quanta / photon of light energy. The important thing to realise is that the spherical In and Out Waves must have a kind of oscillating 'wobble' in them that corresponds to the pattern traced by the Wave Center 'particle'. So you get this secondary wavelength that is much longer than the actual wavelength of the matter waves themselves. Modern physics calls this electromagnetic waves. But really it is a pattern in the real waves (e-m waves are just mathematical approximations).
The next step is to understand resonant coupling. If you have two musical instruments and you play a note on one, then the other instrument will start to vibrate / resonate with the same note. (This is often done using two tuning forks, tap one and the other picks up the vibrations.) Likewise with electrons, which are interconnected across the Universe by their spherical In and Out waves. If you excite one in an atom (light a candle, force electrons through a filiment) then it tends to want to return back to its lower energy state / wave function. And it can only do this if it can lose some of its wave energy to some other electron that it is resonating with (has same frequency oscillations), in which case it drops down, and the other electron in the universe jumps up to a higher energy wave function (absorbs 'photon' of light). This is what is happening to the electrons in your eye when you look at a candle.
This explanation is not entirely complete, but it is a good start hopefully!

Rob - The second (and I cannot for the life of me get the provisos written to you, so be kind because I know this case is obvious): Describe what is going on as we walk through Space. I assume it is the SSWs of all our bodily atoms that are kept discrete from all other matter atoms we meet in Space. I am also assuming that the WSM obviously explains and "uses" the four fundamental forces -- the strong and weak nuclear, gravity and e-m.

GH - The WSM explains gravity simply, due to slowing of Wave velocity in space of higher wave density (where there is more matter - and it is important to realise that wave density is square of wave amplitude, thus it is always positive, which explains why gravity is always attractive). An obvious example of this is the curvature of light past the sun.

Charge (of which light is a particular resonant phenomena which only applies to bound electrons in atoms / molecules) seems to be sensibly explained if we assume that wave velocity also changes with Wave Amplitude. Higher Wave Amplitude, faster Wave Velocity.
Both gravity and charge / light extend accross the universe as the Spherical In and Out Waves extend accross the Universe.

The Strong and Weak Nuclear forces must also be caused by wave interactions, but these only have a range of 10^-15 meters which suggests that the proton has some further wave pattern that is trapped within the very wave-center and contributes to its greater mass and nuclear forces. But I am unsure about the proton (there are a few options to consider) so will not go into more details here.

So how is it that I can walk through space? Good question. The very brief answer is that wave amplitude interactions between my feet and earth cause a slight adjustment in where the Spherical In waves meet at their wave centers which we see as the motion of 'particles'. And that my body, which is made up of many trillions of wave centers trapped in complex wave patterns forming different interconnecting shapes, means that these wave ampltiude adjustments flow through all the matter in my body, adjusting the locations of all the wave centers. Again, this is very incomplete - you are talking about a very very complex system (result of billions of years of evolution).

To begin I think it is best to try and understand why one electron will be gravitationally attracted to earth for example, because its In-Waves flowing through earth (space of higher wave density) travel a bit slower than waves coming from other direction - which causes successive wave centers to form in direction of slowest incoming waves.
Basically we are explaining Newton's F=m.a by saying that a force occurs if you change the velocity of the In-Waves from one direction, which ultimately changes the future location of where those waves meet at their wave center, which we see as the 'acceleration of a particle'. Hope this helps a little. Geoff

Rob - One last simple thing: What causes the continued radiating of Outward and Inward Waves between all the radiating SSW Centers throughout the infinite Universe?
Thanks! Rob

Geoff - I prefer language of Infinite Space, but matter we interact with is only a finite sphere of space and matter, which we call our finite spherical Universe. Basically the system is perpetual, and the Out Waves of all other matter in our Finite Spherical Universe combine (Huygens' Principle) to form our matter's spherical In Waves. Thus matter is actually large, as a spherical standing wave structure that resonates with all other matter in universe.
Cosmology: Finite Spherical Universe in Infinite Space
Can you please read the Cosmology page and then ask this again if you still don't follow - which probably means I need to write it up better (as it is actually fairly simple once known).

Your questions are great - you are the smart one!
Cosmos,
Geoff