Properties of Space as a wave medium

[Rob Peritz]

Properties of Space

"When Shaved by Ockham’s razor, Space, has properties of a Continuous Infinite Eternal Wave Medium as it’s primary essence." ~rob


the Question;

Can Space, the wave medium, have more than one type of wave?
One type of wave forming space into lifeless matter and another type of wave forming space into spirit/soul?

PLEASE NOTE:
Any and all posts or sections of posts pertaining to this topic will be moved to the top post of this thread. You will be “noted and quoted” if your description can be applied to “the most simple language for describing Reality, founded on One thing existing, Space, with Properties of a Continuous Infinite Eternal Wave Medium.” - Haselhurst
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northjetti

[northjetty]

I want to understand this clearly myself Rob. I'm to assume that there are existing waves moving every which way, and they are all energy. They are the energy that has no begining and no end. So this energy flowing around can cause the shape of a sphere to be made in the wave medium of eternal space. So the spherical shape is made of wave energy, and this energy is in all things, whether 'animate or inanimate' objects of space.

Since everything that exist's is 'vibrating', the word 'inanimate' holds little value to anyone that is keen to the quantum world, so pardon my expression. The one thing that exists, a vibrating space wave medium with waves moving throughout, is what the 'finite sphere' is made of. So this places the 'spirit' concept into the realm of there being 'no separation' between 'spirit and matter', according to how space operates.

I've learned about the idea of spirit/matter with 'no separation' from studying these ancient eastern religions. I've come to understand the concept a lot more now than before, when I didn't know about the Eastern concepts. So I can see the 'vibrating wave medium' as the source of 'spirit' that is inherent in 'all things'. It's all 'energy', and I suppose that 'spirit' means 'energy' when we really try to define the term. We should have a good understanding of this, because as the wsm is put before the religious communities they are going to want to see how this model affects 'spirit' and 'God'.

northjetty/the cosmos

[Rob Peritz]

Hi northjetti,
You and I are struggling with the spirit/soul aspect of existence aren’t we. I find much of what you write quite profound and that it resonates with my own point of view.
It would be so easy just to say, God is responsible for life, or to just have faith that God will take care of everything. To not ask questions. Or to ask questions but to only look for answers from priests and shamans, and or, the books that they have written. I just can’t do it though.

Still I have a deep seated belief that there is purpose and meaning to life. It is a mystery. On the same note to be an atheist is also an easy way out. At least for me because the proof of the existence of “God” can neither be proved or disproved. My brother is an ordained Christian preacher at a fairly large church and so we discuss the meat of religion all the time. Still, at the moment I am a pantheist. But I am open to anything if it leads to the truth. Right now I am investigating the WSM and the DUR. I’m hoping that my search is over but the truth is that I may never know for sure if I am even capable of knowing the truth. The mystery may be a mystery for a very good reason. Anyway I still am struggling with the hidden connection between rocks and humanity but your thoughts do help and comfort me and my search for truth. So, thanks.

~rob

PS:
I was an ordained minister for thirty days once. Just long enough to marry a couple friends of mine in Alaska. That was long enough for me. They’re still married by the way, going on eighteen years now... Instead of the bible I had them make their vows on Richard Bach’s book “ONE”
It’s all about love

[Steve Anthony]

That was a very good post Rob.

I think it is our personal meaning only that is important, and that everyman should be as entitled as the next to find their own sense of meaning in their lives.

Defining the meaning of Man is an almost impossible task, as all men will conflict on this issue, until they understand the importance of Harmony. The meaning of each individual will always conflict with others, as a necessity of survival, but now is a time when we have to address this issue, as it is also an issue of survival for the Human race (and many other 'races') itself. The only option is to accept that meaning is a personal thing that we are all entitled to, but the physical world that we all have to share has not developed the capacity to have 'meaning', other than that which evolves within its 'parts'. This, of course, makes 'meaning' another evolved state of possibility. As a 'group' of things 'Man's collective meaning' can only be to continue his path, to evolve further, and thus further explore his experience of being a part of Space. To evolve further we must learn to accept Harmony in our lives, as opposed to continued conflict.

It matters little to me what an individual believes. It matters a great deal that ignorance (and belief in things which are not physically true) is destroying the home that we all have to share. I was hoping that we could all at least agree on that point, and do something positive about it together.

If we cease to exist, then our meanings will go with us.

You say, 'It's all about love'. I agree. I love the planet that gives us life more than anything, and I do mean anything. All that I hold dear could not exist outside of this Harmonic and yet sometimes brutal beauty I currently share with the rest of you, and the planet could not exist if it were not for the properties of Infinite Space, the Wave Structure of Matter.

I generate my own love, and find my own meaning. My definitions are unique to me, of necessity. Still, I can agree to tread a path of Truth in search of what physically exists outside of me. Other peoples meanings are their own concern, though I like to hear what people are prepared to share. I would like my children, and indeed all children, to have the same opportunities.


~S~

[northjetty]

I realized that if I was 'theist' I was a 'pantheist' the minute that I realized that 'God' is a 'metaphor' for the very 'energies' that are responsible for 'existence'. That puts the idea of a 'God' into the 'whole of existence'. The 'existence' itself is full of 'energy', and 'existence' is 'energy'. So for me there's no looking back at feeling separate from the environment and the nature of space itself. What I've found interesting is that the deeper I've gone into the 'origins' of the Christian church, and even the Judean religion, I've found 'pantheistic mythologies' at the 'base structure' of our own 'inherited monotheistic belief's'. So that only strengthens my 'pantheism' and has shown me that it is a truth that has been there all along, even when I failed to realize it through the institutional monotheistic perspective.

So after finding that 'God' is a term for the 'existence' that we are in,( we live breathe and exist within God ) and that the 'existence' that we are in is very 'real', the next step that I came to was in gaining the 'awareness' that 'existence' is an 'Infinite wave medium' that is full of 'wave energy'. The whole 'infinite wave medium', in motion, is 'existence itself', thus the 'God' of 'pantheism'. The 'God' that is 'all things', both the animate as well as the inanimate objects.

I'm understanding that the 'spirit' of this 'God', is the invisible 'wave motions' of the 'medium', and we are the 'wave motions' of it's 'medium', so we are 'one' with it. The formless God, the 'infinite', the forms of God the 'finite'. This is all good pantheism, and from what I've learned thus far, in studying throught comparitive world mythology, is that monotheism is but an extension of pantheism.



north jetty/the cosmos

[Steve Anthony]

[Rob Peritz]

It’s the change of the seasons,
Spring for some, Autumn for others.
This has got me thinking about in waves, out waves and wave centers.
The dynamic unity of reality suggests a positive and a negative, a yin and yang, the physical and the spiritual. A spring and an autumn, a winter and a summer. Is there a binary system to the one thing existing that unites these opposites into one simple reality.

Is it possible that the connection between the wave structure of matter and the spiritual expression of existence is simply that wave centers, in and of space, are the material aspect of space (the summer and winter seasons). While, the motion of space, the in-waves and out-waves, are the spiritual aspect of space (the spring and autumn seasons).

We already know that in-waves are the future, that wave-centers are the present and that out-waves are the past. We also know that this understanding of time is only relevant to the wave-center for the wave-center is the center of its own observable finite spherical universe and so is a unique witness to the motions of the space surrounding it. From this we can conclude that the wave center is connected to the past and connected to the future but, it seems, limited to experiencing the present form of space in the ‘now’ of matter/time .

The present(wave center) is the future (in waves) revealing itself and is also a witness to the past (futures/out-waves).

So, if we continue with this line of reasoning then wave centers are the physical presence of the at the present moment aspect of space that is existing as the ‘now’ condition of time. This natural condition of space and its wave motions does not require life to exist or emotions or imagination or spirits and yet... these things I believe do indeed exist... But where in space and how in space do they exist if there is only one thing existing, Space and its motion...?

Do spirits then exist within the in-waves(future) and the out-waves (past). Is it that the motion of space is the spirit realm of space only because it is witness to and dwells within the future and the past because the present(wave centers) aspect of space is paying attention to the in-waves and out-waves in its own observable finite spherical universe?

The stable now (the WSM Wave Centers in and of space) that we experience constantly, is in reality, an illusion because space is in motion... This illusion, this sensation of experiencing the now as separate from the past and future as the stopping and starting point of the wave center, as something other than space itself is not the true reality that we experience it is only our observation of the waves of space... we can see in waves and out waves... we call them the future and the past... We can sense the spirit realm around us for that is the unseen aspect of the in waves and out waves...

Perhaps the change of the seasons is a clue as to what the dynamic unity of reality is....The in waves are like spring time and out waves are like autumn while the wave center is both summer and winter. The spring in waves pass through the summer wave center to become the out waves of autumn which are also the in waves forming the wave center of winter that then become the spring in waves of summer...
It’s the perpetual system of space and motion. Without space there would be no motion and without motion there would be no space. Without the present there would be no past and future and without past and future there would be no present... I’ll take this one step farther and say that without the physical realm there would be no spiritual realm and with out the spiritual realm there would be no physical realm. It is all the one thing existing, Space with Properties of a Continuous Infinite Eternal Wave Medium.
~rob

[northjetty]

I see what you're saying Rob. The inwaves and outwaves are invisible, because we only see the ssw centers in space as having any form to detect. I think that you're right in saying that the spirit world needs the material world and vise versa. The waves in space would have to be the spirit of space, thus the spirit of God, which is in everything including the visible matter in space. The spirit realm has always existed in space, if space has always had energy moving throughout it's magnitude. This is a good summary that you have going on here Rob.

north jetty/the cosmos

[nisarga]

Hi Rob,

If you think of it as Breathing Space it is much simpler and you can also test it because breating is experiential.

One of the primary meanings of the words 'spirit' and 'spiritual' is: to breathe

Breathing is two extremes of the SAME THING - its extremes are Space~Flow

Source may be called by any convenient name - let's call it Space - now try this - Hold your breath...

Do you see that there is something 'essential' in your being that insists on Breathing?

Breathing as Space~Flow has order. You can see it in the simple process of releasing and welcoming a quiet breath.

The order is cyclical - so you can start anywhere and see that what we call Respiration is:

inspiration ~ Transition pause (Space) ~ expiration ~ transition pause... and so on

This order is seen on corresponding planes/levels as in:

Circulation - flow through arteries ~ heartbeat pause ~ flow through veins ~ heartbeat pause... and so on...

(you can also see the same orderly intercourse as Respiration~Circulation)

A day in your life - daytime waking (inspiration) ~ twilight (pause/Space... falling asleep) ~ night-time sleep ~ dawn pause/Space/awakening)

A day for the planet - daytime ~ twilight ~ night ~ dawn

(and there is the intercourse of you with the planet)

The seasons of a year - summer (inspiration) ~ fall (transition pause) ~ winter (expiration ~ spring (transition pause /awakening)...

The seasons of your life - childhood ~ adolesence ~ adulthood ~ old age

The ancient sages speak of this same order in the 'ages' of the universe - their name for it is 'yugas'...


Thus Space~Flow is self-evident and although the 'breath' is invisible to human beings (it is like many things that we cannot 'see') it is very obvious the Breathing is Life.

I find that most folks simply don't get how important it is to take it literally 'Breathing IS Life'

Happy Easter - a day that folks celebrate the 'rising from the dead' of an ancient master and the manifestation of the 'Holy Spirit'.

James

[Bill Back]

Rob, James, Nj

Bob is your uncle today! Y'all glow with the flow. Good on you! We are cookin' with gas. Spirit is the unseen side of the unity...

[Tim Bourke]

Hi,

Rudolf Steiner, who founded Anthroposophy, spoke in detail of his own findings on the cycle of the earth as a breathing process, see:

http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/CycleYear/CyYear_index.html

I find this quite inspiring, though he seems to have never quite made it clear how the process applies to the Southern Hemisphere!

Regards,
Tim Bourke

[Rob Peritz]

Hello there Tim,
Welcome to the forum...
You have asked some good questions today in several topics and threads. I do not have time to address them all but perhaps this post will help. I'm sure others will respond to your posts.

The quintessential matter here is that, there can be only one thing existing...., everything exists because the one thing exists... It is not possible for something to appear out of nothing... the nothing that people speak of ‘is’ the one thing existing... Space... you cannot see it yet it is there. What separates two stars? Space... What separates two galaxies... Space... What separates two atoms? Space... There is only space... what we experience is space... the matter that we see and interact with is space... There is only one thing existing.... space...

How does this one thing communicate? It has no need for there is no one else to communicate with and so it is in constant awareness of itself... What exists beyond this one thing exiting? There is no beyond the one thing existing for the one thing existing is infinite and eternal. The infinite one thing existing has no boundaries or borders because it exists everywhere all at once...

What connects all things? Space... How can space, the connecting substance, become, what we understand to be this existence of scattered matter and light, heat and magnetism, electricity, even our spirit/soul, our conscious, our thoughts, our emotions?

How can this invisible Space that we refer to as the one thing existing, have unlimited potential to become anything and everything,, or the many things that we can interact with and witness.... ,

It is simple really... Now take some time to think about this Tim...Space is a wave medium. Space is vibrating from the motions within itself. These motions are in the form of waves.

The Continuous Infinite Eternal Wave Medium is in perpetual motion. It has no where to go so it vibrates.. This vibration is in the form of waves. There are waves in and of space moving in all directions. There always has been and there always will be... These waves in and of space interact and form Spherical Standing Wave centers. These centers are the matter that we can see and interact with. The waves form the matter that is the beginning of existence as we understand it. Everything comes from space. Space is not nothing... Space is everything and it is also invisible.. When space forms into matter it becomes visible as a chain reaction of chemistry and physics and evolution takes place. Eventually space begins to contemplate itself from within. This is where we are at right now... This is not the end or the destination it is only the natural sequence of waves in space. No big deal. Simple really. It's not the destination it's the journey. It's the motions of space.

One more thing,
It is impossible to prove that infinity exists... You cannot measure infinity... However you can use reason to understand the concept of infinity and the reason that you can use reason is because space exists as the one and only thing... It is impossible for two infinities to exist outside of each other... You can chase the dimensions of infinity from within infinity, for infinity, and still you would never be able to find and end to it.
Because Space permeates all things... All things are possible, Our thoughts exist in space.. So do our emotions, so do our spirits/souls. Space connects all things... Space is everything. There can be only one thing existing that connects all things. We cannot see it in its purest form, but space and the waves of space are all around us.

Just think about it for awhile Tim.
~rob

[northjetty]

Hey Tim, the best way to learn about this cosmology is to get involved and start asking good questions like you've been doing. Here's a little of Milo Wolf on 'waves in space', or simply 'finite in infinite'.

"The exponential factor is an oscillator of frequency w and wave number k. The sine function modulates the oscillator with a standing wave of wavelength 2pi/ k, the Compton wavelength of the electron. AMPo contains the numerical constants. The inward wave rotates phase at the center, reverses direction, and becomes the outward wave. The factor 1/r causes the wave amplitude to decrease inversely as the radius increases. At r -> 0, the amplitude of the separate waves is INFINITE. But when the two solutions are COMBINED the opposite signed infinities CANCEL and a FINITE standing wave results.

Figure 4. Electron Structure. The IN and OUT waves combine to form a standing wave. The amplitude of the continuous quantum waves is a scalar number, not an electromagnetic vector. At the high density center, the standing wave amplitude is FINITE, not INFINITE. At the center, the IN wave rotates 180 degrees converting it to an OUT wave. This fixed rotation creates the + or - quantum spin. It becomes an electron or positron, depending on the rotation direction."-Milo Wolf

So really what we're looking at here is the 'essence of infinite space' taking on a 'finite form'. The 'spirit' has formed the 'finite sphere', and it is immediately the center of it's own estimated 10^80 finite spherical observable universe within an infinite space. This is showing the relationship of the 'essence of space' to it's 'finite forms and images'. This is the truth behind the ancient eastern concept of spirit/matter with no separation. It's just the way the that things turn out when the truth is revealed.

north jetty/the cosmos