Absolute Truth

[Bill Back]

a basic idea for a wave diagram:
a sphere with a wave coming from the center, as a wave goes into the center.
in slow motion, really the waves move faster than we can see?
comments? colors?

[Steve Anthony]

A sphere is the only object that does not change its shape when viewed from infinite (all possible) perspectives. This is the realisation that brought me here, made me understand that Space must be infinite, and that spherical standing waves, subsequently, must be the most logical answer to cosmological 'problems'.

'Recording' is also a very strange phenomenon, when you think about the universe in a state of constant change. In fact, 'preserving the past' is something very odd indeed, in this context! Is it that only a 'culture' concerned with hanging on to the past would consider recording it? We certainly seem to be more obsessed with the past than we are the future, but maybe the understanding of WSM will change this?


Sorry, that was just an aside. It will be great to see some of these diagrams! Geoff should be back in a couple of days.

~Steve~

[Lazyman]

BB,

Did you see the wave diagram section of the forum?

http://www.physics-philosophy-metaphysics.com/forum/physics-wave-diagrams-vf18.html

Incidentally, I was a professional CAD user on various systems for about 18 yrs but never personally owned, and do not now have access to, the software. I'll be interested to see what you come up with. Good luck!

[Lazyman]

Bill,

Also, did you see the electron animation at Milo's site?

http://quantummatter.com/space_resonance.html

http://quantummatter.com/articles/see_an_electron.html

[Bill Back]

lazyman,
Does working in CAD give us a different view of 3D SPACE, model space, and paper space?
I grew up in Birmingham, Bloomfield, & Beverly hills MI.

How about a wave coming from a point intersecting waves from other points for a model diagram?

Finite space is infinite because: between every two points there is another point that has points between them and on and on......call it infinitely in.....

[Lazyman]

Bill,

I entered the design field from an art background rather than a strictly engineering or drafting background so thinking in 3D was always a natural for me. CAD when it was introduced, I think, leveled the playing field for designers giving those that were unable to visualize in 3D a lot of help.

It's a small world. I grew up in suburban Detriot also, Utica area specifically.

Well, I was thinking, for starters, just an animated 3D version of a single space resonance. In other words, a 3D version of the 2D version shown here at S&M:

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/summary-faq-wsm.htm

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Images/Spherical-Standing-Wave-An.gif

Just my thoughts, I don't know what Geoff, et al have in mind.

In surfing around, I found this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8211133845265423723&q=atom+animation&hl=en

Kinda neat, based on the old model, of course, and more than 'just' an electron.

[Bill Back]

This morning as I awoke I dreamed of clear bubblelike ripples within bubblelike ripples, but the more I think about it the less I can imagine it. HMMM???

[Bill Fisher]

Hi Bill,

Some people working with (WSM) but don't know it, use wave disharmony / vibes to achieve results that up until now were thought to be impossible. I suspect this is the case with water power - see video clip (sent clip to Geoff).

The Theory of Enformy talks about everything having a pre-physical (space and motion wave) map which determines the inherent nature of everything. What might the wave map of cat include? Pattern of personality; pattern of organization (physical cat), communities of practice (organs) and individual patterns of excellence (cells). If you cut cat in half you don't get two cats, you get a mess - you destroy its inherent nature or 'wave map'. There are some (70) trillion cells in human body that are made of who knows how many 'bubblelike ripples' that work to continue the inherent nature of every cool cat.

Why do you suppose people like music - does it make their little 'bubbles' ripple in harmony?

Bill,

[Bill Back]

Today I saw"The Secret" DVD With Bob Proctor and the bubble like ripples I dreamed of yesterday. Worth watching and connecting with the speakers.{oh yea, we are already connected!}....

To help define the WSM model: What is the wavelength of WSM waves?
Is it possible that the waves get shorter as they approach a center and longer as they ripple into space?

[Bill Fisher]

Might try whole systems thinking vs. reductionism

What do WSM wave ‘bubbles’ do?
What causes them to manifest themselves into different kinds of cells?
How do these wave bubbles communicate?
How do they maintain the integrity and unique inherent nature of the whole system / person?

All the different possible combinations along with an ability to maintain integrity over some life expectancy, I think shows very high level of sophistication.

Interrelated interactive instantaneous SM field, web, map, dynamic whole system within the ONE SM system???

[Bill Back]

What do WSM wave ‘bubbles’ do?
I am using the idea of bubbles only to illustrate spherical waves, to help the average joe understand . There are no bubbles only waves. I like to make pictures of what it is.

What causes them to manifest themselves into different kinds of cells? No cells only waves.
Waves are because space(mind/spirit) is going into itself constantly. Space moves within itself, like moving a glass of water makes waves in the water, but space is timeless.

How do these wave bubbles communicate?
Waves from all points intersect resulting in standing waves. All waves are passing through all waves.

How do they maintain the integrity and unique inherent nature of the whole system / person?
Space is waves, that seems to be matter. We are not our body we are points in space(mind/spirit) with points within us that are vibrating naturally, interacting with waves from all other points...
This is a difficult concept from one or two points of view, but clear from all points of view.

[Lazyman]

Bill, have you seen this page: http://www.spaceandmotion.com/science-physics-wsm-wave-diagrams.htm ?

It occurs to me that earlier, when I was talking about creating a 3D model of this:
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Images/Spherical-Standing-Wave-An.gif
the result wouldn't necessarily appear to be much different than a 2D animation (same from any POV). That is, as a single/stand-alone space resonance...well, maybe at least the right effect/look would be easier to achieve using 3D modeling techniques....

[northjetty]

All points of view. This is what we have in a sphere. That is actually a hell of statement Bill. I think that when you said that at the top of this post, it was interpreted as a pro-post modern world view on your part, meaning that there is no absolute truth, so any one truth is just as good as any other. If you meant that every perceivable perspective is accounted for in the sphere, then you were blasted with an anti-post modernism serman over a miscommunication of language. Ha ha ha, it happens. Language is so critical in expressing absolute truth.

Northjetty/the cosmos

[Bill Back]

Absolute Truth can only be seen, known, felt from all points of view, individual truth from one or a few points of view. Would it be fun to put 25,000 cameras on the inside of a sphere or on the outside… ?

The mind’s eye can have all points of view. Man focuses on one point most of the time. Can we see like frogs and mystics not focusing but seeing the big picture?

Absolute truth is best spoken of in silence.

[haselhurst]

According to WSM

Absolute truth comes from necessary connection of one thing existing, space and its wave motions.
In this way we connect language correctly to what exists - thus our language and its deductions will be absolutely true.

e.g. Some absolute truths.

Space, as the one thing / substance that exists, is infinite and eternal.

Matter is a spherical wave structure of space.

Matter's in waves are formed from the out waves of other matter in a finite spherical region of this infinite space.

Each wave center 'particle' is thus the center of its own finite spherical universe within (as part of) infinite space.

For humanity to survive they must found their societies on absolute truth.

etc.

Geoff

PS - Wave diagrams are critical for our success. One idea I have is to take a picture of a sphere / ball, then use photoshop to make it 75% transparent, and then Flash to decrease its size down to point. Then play these series of successively smaller images as a short moving image.
And you would then have to superimpose this movie on the same movie running backwards so you get the effect of both spherical in and out waves.
Does this help?

[Bill Back]

“Be impeccable with words, don't assume anything, don't take anything personal, always do your best.” Don Miguel Ruiz

Waves without wave length. that’s a new concept for me. Can spherical waves be photographed in water?

Geoff, I have been thinking about a 3D diagram that would look like what you propose only in autocad.

In this diagram the exciting part is the meeting of the in and out spheres, but actually are the waves meeting in all of space? And if so how do we show this?

[Steve Anthony]

Hi Bill,

Glad you (and the others) have been added to the other accessible parts of the forum.

Just a note on..."Can spherical waves be photographed in water?"

To my understanding, a single drop of water will have possibly millions of 'wave-centres' that we observe in totality as the 'drop'. - So, spherical waves ARE the water (and the camera, and its operator, and everything else in-between, as 'everything' is wave motion within wave motion), performing as it knows best...in wave motion!

In (finite) reality, it is impossible to separate or isolate spherical waves, as they are all interdependent on each other for their existence, that being all there truly is.

I'm sure you already know/understand this, but it is a tough thing to try and visualise for those new to the idea (well, all of us, actually!) - why the diagrams are so badly needed!

No pressure, or anything... It's just up to you to save the planet!

(I'd just love that to be true. Imagine the planet being saved by Bloopo the Clown instead of some 'Superman' - Please, please, please, make it happen!)


~§~

[Bill Back]

What does a WSM wave sound like?… for the animation. What does it smell like??

It is important for all humans to know the wave structure of matter, it should be presented in many ways beside language, for us to comprendo. Knowing unity leads to cooperation, working together…..

Bloopo thinks universilly, acts loco-ly and is traveling globally being and feeling good with all.
Bloopo’s absolute truth is: universal unity saves the planet. … But what does it save as?

We are picking up camp here on the eel river in the redwoods and are heading to palm desert. Maybe offline for a while….Y’all have a happy new now.

[Steve Anthony]

[Bill Back]

I’m Back….

Every point in space has a potential of all directions out, (kind of a spherical flow, scalar wave, absolute point of view). As all other points have a potential direction in to all other points.

Is this potential direction (point of view) awareness? The total of all points of view = absolute awareness, universal consciousness, the one mind where each point is a center?

Can a point choose a point of view, potential direction?
Is natural law the choice of all, the will of Space?

[northjetty]

That is something interesting bill. I wonder whether all of the life in the universe is evolving towards joining together to cover every possible perspective in a spherical finite universe? A cosmic unity of a universal magnitude rallied around the knowledge of the true structure of matter, as it is realized through the process of natural evolution. The wsm gives a sense of expecting that life is abundant in infinite space.

northjetty/the cosmos

[Bill Back]

("As we communicate with each other, the Universe is talking to Itself."
Thanks to you all for your writings, forums help us define our thoughts. Here is a summery of Absolute Truth.)

Absolute Truth can only be seen, known, felt from all points of view. Individual truth is seen from one or a few points of view. Man focuses on one point most of the time. Our point of view can be expanded to include other points of view and all points of view. The mind’s eye can see all points of view. Everyone of us will see all points of view someday... We know the truth. One can think something else. but deep inside we know the truth. We know, but it is covered by what we have been told and think.

Absolute truth is one thing, we all share. Each of us is a center of the same timeless unity, infinite space. We all share the one infinite body. Take a deep breath!… Air from around the world is in us and part of us. Light that enters our eyes is traveling and reflecting across the universe.

Every point in space has a potential of all directions out, (kind of a spherical flow, scalar wave, absolute point of view). As all other points have a potential direction in to and through all other points.

Is this potential direction or (point of view), aware? Can a point choose a potential direction? Is the total of all points of view, absolute awareness, universal consciousness, the one mind where each point is a center? Is natural law the will of Space?

Look at it this way: 0/0=1... Space (Emptiness) goes into Itself, once…constantly.

Space aware of itself makes waves, that are matter. Space moves within itself always, similar to moving a glass of water makes waves in the water. All points in space are vibrating naturally, interacting with waves from all other points. Seeing this we can ride the waves or get tossed around. We can work with nature's laws or be worked by nature.

[Steve Anthony]

Hi Bill, all,

I found this link recently. Maybe there's something here to help with the animations, or ideas of such?

http://pwg.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/outreach/theretohere.html

From this list...

http://pwg.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/outreach/coolpics.html

[Lazyman]

Hey everyone,

What do you think of this:

http://photos.imageevent.com/robroy/fish/SPHERE.mpg ?

[haselhurst]

Interesting, very interesting!

I watched it yesterday, and again this morning.
It is growing on me.
Can still be improved no doubt, but starting to give the idea of spherically vibrating space.
Did you make this LM?
How?

A guy wrote to me last week who is interested in helping with wave diagrams, and there is Mike Weber who has made this;

http://www.ryanhagan.net/mike/StandingWave3D/StandingWave3D.htm

It would be nice if a few people with talent for this could share their ideas and skills to create a variety of wave diagrams that showed electron, light, gravity, de Broglie phase wave and faster than light (non local) interactions, formation of in-waves (cosmology / Huygens' principle), etc.

We have a wave diagrams post - we should try and collect all this and keep it on the correct post.
So please reply to;
http://www.physics-philosophy-metaphysics.com/forum/wave-diagrams-some-basic-examples-help-needed-vt172.html

(I have moved post to top 'say hello' section and added relevant stuff above - will be making changes to forum layout over next month so it will be better organised then!)

Hope this helps,
Geoff