One thinking

[Steve Anthony]

Hi all,

I believe this to be relevant to the WSM...



'WE' have to stop arguing about what this 'One' is...

In a time where our disagreements over, fundamentally, the same thing, are destroying ourselves and environment, all there remains left to do is Unify our collective understandings, or suffer the consequences.
The bullying tactics of politics and religion must cease. But firstly, we have to acknowledge that these things, 'politics' and 'religion', are not 'other peoples' abstract ideas'. They are OUR ideas. They affect US all the time, not just on their grand scale, which now comes to us via 'the media', but as part of our individual understanding; as parts of what makes US, as individuals, who and what WE are physically.
'Politics' and 'religion' are Human traits, ideas and understandings, and as such, affect all that is 'Human'.
All this, means that we must consult the political and religious 'bully' within ourselves, and attempt to put Him to rest. This 'bully' needs a lesson in compassion, and it is US, as individuals, who need to learn it. WE need to 'understand' ourselves better.
It is the individuals' personal decision, and this alone will determine the mass of individuals' fate; the fate of Humans, and that which they affect. WE are responsible for the state we leave OUR world in, as a species, AND as individuals within it.

As 'many', we are represented by the 'individual' (you and I).
As 'One', we are represented as the 'Human race' (Us).
On the next 'level', the 'many' can be seen as the different species (of which we are just one), and the 'One', as 'Life' on this planet.
This is a trait of everything in existence.

If we understand ourselves, as individuals, we are logical and understanding of how, and why, we think. It makes 'sense' to us, and we do the things we do because we justify some 'truth' to ourselves. We 'believe' in what we are doing.
But as 'One', as a 'collective of Human thought', we remain divided, much like a 'schizophrenic' would be diagnosed as 'bi-polar', from an individualistic point of view.
'WE', as a species, can therefore reasonably classify ourselves as 'mad', in the collective sense.
There is an element of Insanity (Psychological division) within the framework of what we have termed 'Humanity'.

As 'One Tribe', we lived (mostly) happily and peacefully in Harmony with our surroundings, as do all other creatures, but having been divided (over many thousands of years) we now feel the desperate need to re-unify our collective thinking. This is because we unconsciously 'know' that we are in 'psychological trouble'. We are constantly on the 'edge of chaos', able to cross the boundaries of Insanity whenever we feel 'justified'.
Here, is the unconscious motivation for 'globalisation', the 'unity between science and religion', the need to 'know God'.
These are cries of Help, from a species divided, from, and by, itself.

Previously, there would have been 'new lands' to explore, and colonise, but that is a luxury we no longer have. There is nowhere left to run, except off the planet, which also explains our unconscious scramble into 'Space'.
A species sometimes naturally 'divides' and the new 'offshoot' searches for richer pickings elsewhere, in its attempts to expand its new found 'vigour', but to do this in an unsustainable way amounts to suicide. 'Evolution' will just perceive it as another attempt at something which didn't work.
If our future unfolding generations are going to make it into 'the Space age', they will need a base to 'work' from...
THIS IS OUR HOME!

Any attempt to Unify OUR thoughts, is an unselfish wish to heal our unconscious 'rifts' and 'schizms', (which we bring into reality in our waking 'conscious' hours), and bring us back into the realm of Sanity, which is also 'sustainability'. I believe this is our Great 'Hope', our 'way forwards', and may possibly be our only real chance of survival. And it doesn't mean that we have to give up our Natural tendency to explore (Space).
Dishonesty, greed and selfishness, we can associate with Insanity.
Honesty, Truth and selflessness, we can associate with Sanity.

We would all like to consider ourselves 'sane', would we not? ...For the other 'option' is to not consider anything/everything at all, which leaves us open to our own destructiveness, our selfishly guarded 'opinions' and 'beliefs'.

The 'many' neglect the 'One', at their own peril.

The 'Truth' is THE TRUTH. It doesn't matter who 'discovers' it, or who 'states' it, or 'sees' it. No one can ever 'own' it. IT is what it always has been, and always will be. NOT a Human 'concept'!


Love to the One,
(and that means Each and EveryOne!)

Steve.

[haselhurst]

Hi Steve,
I sense your passion and feel it too.

I agree, the truth is the truth, it relates to unity / interconnection of reality, it is not owned by any one person, it is simply the truth.

However, it is clear that few people really care about this, have minds suited for it. And given all the errors we have made in physics relating to 'particle' conception of matter, thus requiring 'forces / fields' to connect them in 'space-time', then it is understandable as to why philosophy now has this postmodern foundation of no absolute truths. All truths are human constructions that are really no better than opinions.

So this is a big problem to overcome - as soon as you start talking about truth (and dynamic unity of reality) those who are ignorant ignore it and carry on with their beliefs, those who are educated assume you are a crackpot (caught between a rock and a hard place).

The only solution I can think of is to get this knowledge well written up, use it to explain central ideas (and solve problems) of physics philosophy and metaphysics, and then get this knowledge to rank well in Google / Internet, so that the next generation is at least aware of it.

SO that is my plan. I am now employing 2 people part time to help promote this knowledge on internet. I will probably spend about $50,000 over next 12 months on it (what a tiny amount of money given the billions we waste on stupid 'particle' experiments / military things). Yet the internet is young, there is a window of opportunity I think to succeed.

I do believe in truth, that it eventually rises to the top.
I do believe that truth is the only hope for saving humanity from disaster - and that perhaps it is already too late.
But we do what we can!

Unfortunately, this forum is pretty useless in terms of ranking well in Google (I think Google has decided most forums are full of crap!).
So my efforts are directed to spaceandmotion website (which needs a lot of work, and Karene and I are back at it full time now).

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts and time. Once I am better organised (next few months) I will hopefully have a plan that people can help with that should succeed over next few years in getting this knowledge reasonably visible on internet.

I leave you with a few nice quotes!
Cosmos,
Geoff

"Although I am fully convinced of the truth of the views given in this volume I by no means expect to convince experienced naturalists whose minds are stocked with a multitude of facts all viewed, during a long course of years, from a point of view directly opposite to mine. But I look with confidence to the future to young and rising naturalists, who will be able to view both sides of the question with impartiality." (Charles Darwin)


"In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule." (Friedrich Nietzsche)

(Just had to add Nietzsche's image - kinda crazy / wild!)

"For the incredibly great majority of men are by their nature absolutely incapable of any but material aims; they cannot even comprehend any others. Accordingly, the pursuit of truth alone is a pursuit far too lofty and eccentric for us to expect that all or many, or indeed even a mere few, will sincerely take part in it." (Arthur Schopenhauer)

"Therefore the system of silence, so unanimously resorted to, is the only right one, and I can advise them to stick to it, and go on with it as long as it works - in other words, until ignoring is taken to imply ignorance; then there will still just be time to come around ..
Thus the system of ignoring and of maintaining silence can last for a good while, at any rate for the span of time that I may have yet to live; in this way much is already gained. If in the meantime an indiscreet voice here and there has allowed itself to be heard, it is soon drowned by the loud talking of the professors who, with their airs of importance, know how to entertain the public with quite different things ....
It is a ticklish question, the steering of the public, good and docile as it is on the whole. Although as a rule the absurd culminates, and it seems impossible for the voice of the individual ever to penetrate through the chorus of foolers and fooled, still there is left to the genuine works of all times a quite peculiar, silent, slow, and powerful influence; and as if by a miracle, we see them rise at last out of the turmoil like a balloon that floats up out of the thick atmosphere of this globe into purer regions. Having once arrived there, it remains at rest, and no one can any longer draw it down again." (Arthur Schopenhauer)

"A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self.
We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive." (Albert Einstein, 1954)

[Steve Anthony]

Hi Geoff,

Love the pic of Neitzsche. You have to admire a man who isn't afraid to walk down the street with a crows nest on his upper lip!!

One thing I realised recently, thanks to you, is exactly how 'connected' everything is!
I realised that the Human mind has a connection to its Infinite origin (as it necessarily must do, due to the WSM, which, by definition, must at least be 'Honest' in it's attempts at 'truth'!).

(I 'believe' we have interpreted this connection, as our 'unconscious', which connects to the 'Infinite Consciousness', and is also present in all other 'things' - 'Infinity')

(The Infinite Consciousness, to which our 'Unconscious' connects, is devoid of 'judgement', which is why 'truth' dominates.)

I have a great affinity for Gandhi, i'm sure you noticed, simply because he offers physical proof of what can be achieved when simply standing up for Truth (Oh yeah, and he spins a great yarn!!).
One little Indian against the Great British Empire. It looked like a 'massacre' from the outside, and it was! The Great British Empire were no match for the Truth!! It's the greatest 'weapon' we possess, in the war against our own insanity (which, I believe, could be the negation of our Unconscious 'connection' with Infinity/Infinite aspect of ourselves).

This is why I think people only give the Illusion of not caring, because when they allow themselves access to their Unconscious (Infinite connection) they DO care. Evidence of this can be seen in recovering drug addicts, and other 'reforming' types; people who have to change their ways in order to survive further, and THIS is the situation Humanity is forcing on itself. WE are the 'addicts' (to greed, selfishness, etc) and WE need reforming.
Sometimes, all we need is a little 'shock' of reality to start searching our Unconscious for 'answers', and this can take the form of a close death, or family related trauma, such as divorce/parting with loved ones (something you and I share), but on the larger, Humanitarian scale, we simply need a bigger 'shock' to get us truely thinking.
Unconsciously, I think this is what the Human race does to itself. By neglecting its Unconscious aspect, it 'dooms' itself to repetitive cycles of building up, and breaking down.

I ramble again!

I've been posting links back to this (and Dr. Wolff's) site, from other forums, which I will continue to do, as long as I can. Wish I could do more, but the most i can offer is maybe something for the poetry forum...

EVOLUTION OF ME

Paleozoic movements,
this primative fish,
interspersed with rhymes
of reason;
Treasonable excursions
on modern-day trains
of the unexplained.

Though these jurassic thoughts
will linger, in the
bringing of my song,
still,
I could be wrong.

Truely neolithic me,
about to plant my own seed
in the fertile soil
of your humanity.

Oh yes!
Sweet investors in my life,
I'm sorry,
but this time there
will be no returns.
No dividends to divvy-up
amongst yourselves.
Sorry too,
that you should feel
the need to gamble,
in the stew
of my astuteness,
in the first place!

Sorry mostly,
that we don't understand
each other,
my brother,
for I am still
just a hunter/gatherer,
hunting truth, and
gathering love,
so that I may pass on
more than just my
NUTS!


I know you're busy, so i'll just concentrate on trying to send people this way,

All the best to you and yours,
Steve.

[galaxy*19]

Steve,
Thank you for your thoughtful post. I agree in the ONEness that needs to show itself in our THINKING. Because, truth is, humans think too much. And they/we are addicted to selfish thinking.
We are all one, and in fact, the power of our thoughts too has an impact on our world, and the world of our children.

Sorry if you do not like this next part because of it's improvable basis, but in the days of Atlantis and Lemuria, things were so much more advanced than they are today because a) there were fewer people, b) they mostly thought alike. I'm not saying that everyone should think alike, just like I dont think that's what you are saying. But what they were able to accomplish, feats that are unimaginable to us, (take building the pyramids just as an example of the power exerted), then you will be aware of the power of Collective thought.
In fact it is this collective, of humans, and human thought that determine our ONE direction.

Now the planet is so over-populated and over run with 'ignorance' the absolute absence of intelligent thought and discussion, that these ignorant people are actually hindering our advancement as a whole. This is just as bad for us as it is for them. Because just as you say, we are all one. WE are all connected.

So to restate, I wholeheartedly agree.

I also therefore think that the best thing we can do, is to treat ourselves and behave ourselves how we want the rest of the world to act.
If we truly and deeply uphold those thoughts and values that we are talking about, then it will have a profound affect.
I encourage you to research the profound effects of peace that meditation on a large scale have had in the world. (decreasing violence, etc).

It turns out that the thoughts of each and everyone of us, which is intimately connected to this infinite whole, has an effect, a profound effect, on that whole. Like each in and out wave affecting the other waves. EAch thought 'wave' affects the thought waves of others. And thus goes on to produce global change.

It is not too late, YET. but we are getting close!
Unity will lead to Peace. And peace will lead to Freedom for all. And once we are free, once we are all free, we are all powerful.

And spreading peace and unity can be as easy as spreading a smile.

Or a yawn, which is unfortunately the path many have chosen.

[Steve Anthony]

Hi,

I am more or less in agreement with you! Don't think it's entirely relevant that we should all think 'the same' (we're not ants!) Please read my other thread (CG JUNG and WSM), see what you think?
I'm not sure I have expressed myself as clearly as I would have hoped, but basically, I believe we all have the ability to think in two 'ways' at the same time. We can adopt two perspectives, that of our own (selfish), and that of the greater 'whole' to which we all belong (I have called this 'BIG Truth, and very much relates to Geoff's wishes that we should all 'stick to the facts', and leave our opinions behind) I have to say that I am in complete agreement with Geoff on this, but that it is an extremely hard thing to do! Takes years of practice, probably!)
This greater 'whole' thinking, is the one we neglect mostly, as we mostly have to concentrate on our own lives, as we live them. We need to give ourselves the Space and time to reflect, and adjust our thinking to the 'whole', but modern society rarely affords us this luxury. Hence, we mostly operate in 'selfish' mode!

Intellectual bullies still lock psychological antlers...No wonder we are still in a 'rut'!

Anyway, I believe we are in agreement!

Hooray! Must be worth a smile, surely?!!

Cheers,
Steve.

[haselhurst]

Hello Interconnected Ones!,

Not sure about the 'Atlantis' reference, but the rest is pretty spot on according to WSM.
It is strange that science continues to ignore the dynamic unity of reality - when it is actually the foundation of science, from ancient Greek Indian and Chinese philosophy to modern physics. There is agreement that all things in universe are interconnected. (This is partly why Einstein was so close to truth, as he realised this thus rejected 'particle' concept - see website for details as it is important to understand Einstein).

However, evolution works with survival, and we clearly survive better if we see things as solid / separate objects, because that is how they feel (when wave centers get close together then wave amplitudes are high and significant wave interactions occur). We could have evolved to see with radio waves or x rays and been able to see through matter - but it would not be useful when a lion is about to attack you!

So a lot of the illusion is due to our evolution - and this is hard to overcome. Reason tells us everything is interconnected - but most minds do not function much on reason.

I agree that our thoughts have some affect on others - this must be true if waves in space is all there is, thus mind is due to wave motions, thus thinking changes wave motions which flow out and affect others. Further, with resonance, repeated tiny effects can accumulate to have a very large effect (e.g. light due to resonant coupling between bound electrons, where trillions of tiny wave interactions cause electrons to change wave functions).

I am not sure how profound this mind affect is - I suspect crowd behaviour is partly caused by this, but there are many other factors so it is hard to say. As I do not like to speculate, my comment would be that this needs substantially more study (from WSM foundations!).

Interesting. Thanks.
Geoff

PS - There are other posts on the mind in this forum (below). And we have an easy page of quotes on dynamic unity of reality.
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/metaphysics-dynamic-unity-reality.htm

[Steve Anthony]

Hi Geoff,

Thanks for connecting me!

Interesting, your observations about crowd behaviour. Do you think there may be some link with fish behaviour? It seems amazing and incredible to me, as they all seem to move 'as one'. Herds, swarms, flocks, and crowds all add weight to the interconnectedness of everything, for me...

We can learn an awful lot about ourselves, by observing Nature, I believe.

Is it a 'trait' we are moving away from, evolutionarily speaking, or attempting to re-connect with? Or even, something a species 'learns', probably as a safety measure, as it evolves?

Paleontologists currently believe the evolutionary 'split' between land mammals and water mammals happened c.300 million years ago. Interesting to think that we would have had the possibility of becoming 'sea creatures' again, ourselves, at that point. But then I think, maybe we did? I see no reason why 'creatures' such as Dolphins, or Belugas should not develop a 'conscience', or otherwise become in some way 'self-aware'. There are numerous accounts of Dolphins saving Human lives.
The ability to actually formulate images inside the brain, from the reflection of sound waves (sonar) seems like an incredible feat, to the Human mind, but this is just 'normal', to a Dolphin. Neither can we put this down purely to brain size, as we know that Bats also have this ability.
In fact, all things possess a unique way of interacting with their environment, that Humans remain mostly ignorant of, simply because of their insistance that they are more 'evolved', more 'civilised', or more 'advanced'. This gives us the false perception that we are some kind of 'masters' of the Planet, when in fact, we are merely another kind of lifeform. It also promotes the illusion that we can control all the things around us, including the mess that we leave for our future generations to 'clear up'. I personally fail to see anything 'civilised', or 'advanced', in that. This leads me to believe that...

We think we're better, therefore we're worse.

There is an infinite amount, that we do not know about our fellow creatures. There is an infinite amount, that we do not know about ourselves.
Maybe we need to learn how to re-connect, as a safety measure, if we truely intend to evolve?

(Not a rant, just an observation!)

Cheers,
Steve.

[haselhurst]

Hi Steve,
Not a rant at all! I find it to be a very sensible reasoned observation about the nature / truth of our world. A pleasure to read.

One thing I like about the wave structure of matter in Space is that it gives me a very clear picture of how everything is interconnected (suits my logical mind / desire to know how things work by understanding how the parts connect together and function as a whole).
And from this solid foundation it is much easier to look at both human society and human knowledge and see the errors that we have made, how things could be greatly improved.

It is very important to humanity that we succeed in getting this knowledge visible to world. So we depend on Google / Internet.

What an interesting challenge. Depressing / troubling at times too.

But I have a plan that is slowly unfolding - will keep you (and others) informed as it progresses with ways to help that are hopefully rewarding / successful.
I like the thought that ultimately the most powerful weapon of change is knowledge. And knowledge comes from people, thus it is people who change the world, often just one or a small number. History shows this is true.

Take care,
Geoff

[galaxy*19]

Hello,
I also think that when groups of people share common thoughts that it gives strength and power to those 'waves' of thought. When a lot of people agree, they are more likely to work towards a common cause. THis is exactly how our society functions in fact. But I'm not sure if the general public is aware of some of the more subtle expressions of collective thoughts. Just as people at a concert can share in a connected moment as they are all connecting with the music, the musicians, and the vibe, and the other concert goers ( i talk about this phenomenom all the time with friends), so can a whole country decide they are too lazy and just take it when their newly 'elected' president 'claims to have won the election'. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make, is that the current administration takes advantage of this collective thought tactics and gets everyone to be 'afraid' together, and thus believing the lies.
Thoughts are very powerful, especially when a lot of people thikn them. Take Xmas, and SAnta Claus. Every year, millions of children receive xmas presents. Is it any surprise so many believe in Santa.

(Im trying to make a subtler point about how what they believe collectively may not even be true).

And finally, I encourage you to join the Union of Concerned Scientists, i found them about a year ago and they are a non-partisen group of scientists working for the betterment of mankind and our children for generations to come. I think you would find this group most appealing. Here's a website: http://www.ucsusa.org/
They are currently focused on what we can do to stop global warming, one of the most current and serious crisis of our times.

More thoughts that came to me while reading your posts:

Yes indeed. I think that humans can easily see their interconnection if they just stop an open their eyes. Can they not see that without the help of others, they would not have the food or 'technology' that they've come to depend on?
Survival indeed! It is a shame that the technology of times past was so poor as to not be able to really convey what people (the human race) went through in order to get where we are. But also because it is hard to see where other forks in the road may have been that we could have chosen better. Truth is, people accept where we have gotten to as the only place we can be. I think they need to open their minds and their hearts and see that we as humans are 'special' but that we chose to continue to behave like animals.
And I agree! We can learn so much from nature. Nature is the mirror of our own existance. Other people are our mirrors too. I have always been amazed in my life about how lightning looks like neurons, and tree leaves grow so specially and mathematically around branches. How trees and branches reflect our own interconnection with our family and their genes, and how if you look at our circulatory system, it looks like a tree with all it's smaller spreading branches. A bit of a connected rant indeed!

I think that Earth is a special and very powerful place. It is rare across the universe to find such a reality really, and I think our general evolution (of mind especially) is on the verge of breaking out of some 'dark' ages. Like we haven't experienced for some time.

I think the internet (to mention technology) presents some really interesting opportunities. I think it has become the kind of thing that represents a mixing of culture and thought that just was not possible before it's existance. And that alone fascinates me. I think it may just be the tool that saves us from our otherwise spreadout suburban sprawl sectionalist seclusionary state of mind where we dont even know our neighbors much less Love them! And be able to share like minds with them.
I also think the internet is one of the few free things left in our modern society.
It also excludes itself -- the whole section of peopel in the world that do not have access to it and all of the knowledge therein contained.
I love the idea of sperading the knowledge, but i think any dramatic globally scaled kind of thing too has it's limits in demographics.
Thus is a HUGE difference from life now and life back when the Earth's population was much fewer. It was much easier to spread information (and love) to ALL people. And much easier to find agreement amungst them.


Well, i hope you found some of this relavant. A joy as always to spur more thoughts and read and have my thoughts spurred. Thanks!~ I send you love

[Steve Anthony]

Well, thank you both for your lovely comments!

I certainly believe that a deeper connection to the rest of the Planet will help us understand ourselves better.

I tend to see things quite simply really, and believe simplicity to be one of the key factors in sustainable living. I observe Nature, and it tells me so. I observe 'man' (including myself) and see unnecessary complication leading to destructive behaviour. (Often guilty as charged, yer 'ohner! )

I see all people from all walks of life, attempting to understand their connection to the 'one thing', and yet still unsure as to whether they should follow the crowd, or follow their own hearts. But still they must search. And if they search long enough, they WILL find. It is as if Humans had some in-built desire to return to their original state, or at least find out exactly what they are.

Scientists follow the 'rule' of Occam's razor because it resonates with their inner 'knowing' that the One true 'thing', must be simple by definition. Anyone who takes the time to sit and think about it for a while will come to the same conclusion, because there IS only one conclusion! (no matter how many names we give it!)


Geoff, I've started reading The Tao of Physics. It is giving me a clearer picture of how WSM works. I'm guessing that Dr. Capra might be aware of your site/the WSM, although he's probably very busy. It would be interesting to hear what he thought though!

I find it politically interesting that the CERN plant should have a statue of Shiva (as Nataraj) donated by India, at about the same time as the USA/India relations seem to be strengthening. Maybe we're seeing the beginnings of some 'progress' here? Not sure. What are your thoughts about CERN, Geoff? - More silly 'particle experiments', or will it make them have to concede to wave-structure, inevitably?

http://www.fritjofcapra.net/shiva.html

I've just noticed your new page on Capra. It came 5th on my google search. Well done. It looks better every day!



"My uniform experience has convinced me that there is no other God than Truth" - M. K. Gandhi (The story of my experiments with truth)


All the best,
Steve.