New Forum Layout - March 2007

[haselhurst]

Hi All,

It is time for us to agree on a better forum design so that we can better collect our knowledge and present it to others.

I suggest the following - look forward to your thoughts.
Will plan on changing it in another week or so.

Forum to be simplified to three main sections / sub forums.

1. Current top say hello section - Registered users can post (no change).

2. Create a 'Completed Articles by Subject" section which will have around 100 posts sorted by title. Titles to be descriptive and in hierarchy like an encyclopedia.
e.g.
Metaphysics: Heraclitus: Logos, Flux, Dynamic Unity of Reality
Metaphysics: Albert Einstein: Continuous Field Theory of Matter in Space-Time

Physics: Quantum Theory: Particle Wave Duality
Physics: Quantum Theory: Collapse of Wave Function
Physics: Quantum Theory: Probability Waves

Cosmology: Hubble Redshift with Distance
Cosmology: Definition: Universe - Finite Spherical
Cosmology: The Big Bang Theory: Problems and Solutions

etc.

The top section / first post for each of these subjects should be a short concise summary. This can be followed by further comments / discussion. I would link to these subject pages from related pages at spaceandmotion website - to encourage more people to forum to discuss different subjects.
Only Moderators can post in this section.

3. Admin section - where we can discuss admin things obviously. Only admins can post in this section.

All other sections currently existing would be deleted - and any good quality posts in them moved to relevant of above three sections.

Hope this makes sense - look forward to comments.
Cheers,
Geoff

[northjetty]

Sounds great! I look forward to all of the updating, categorizing and editions to the site and forum.

north jetty/the cosmos

[Rob Peritz]

HI Geoff,
I propose a concise dictionary section for words and phrases used in conjunction with the WSM . All definitions therein must be edited and/or authorized by Geoff. The definitions should be kept as simple and short as possible. At the end of each entry there should be a link to the section “Completed Articles by Subject" for further study and understanding of the WSM.

More later
~rob

[Steve Anthony]

All seems pretty sound to me Geoff, and if you just collapse the current greater forum into the Physics, Philosophy and Metaphysics sub forums, plus the 'say hello' at the top, it's pretty much the same thing, and maybe less work, whilst maintaining the theme set by the rest of the site. The main difference would be to concentrate on the 'completed articles' section.

Rob's idea of a 'glossary' is good, I think, but we already have problems on some scores, such as the definition of 'infinity' for example.

And how about the proposed 'one system thinking' by Bill (Joe Average), or some kind of education section?



On a personal note:

I think, maybe, more important than this is that we ('admins') actually correlate and unify our understanding, so that we also understand that we are all working for the same goal. The new knowledge is just the beginning; it's what we do with it that counts for anything. A team all pulling in different directions is no team at all, is it? Certainly, I have little time to waste in this regard, and if that means I am in the minority i'll gladly leave for the sake of the greater good, as i've said before. I'm happy to admit that this may be best for the WSM forum, as I realise my views may be a bit too radical for many, that this may be detrimental to the site, in the long term.

More probably, I just need a few weeks in the sun!

Steve.

[northjetty]

I think that we're unified in that we understand that waves in space are the ground of our being/all that exist. I'm not sure that you could be described as too radical, or in opposition to this site. Everyone has there own interests in how waves in space apply to life. In the case of "mind" you hold the proper wsm perspective while myself and others tried pushing the issue somewhat. You did good in holding the correct site position. I think that you have a good handle on the overall site content, perhaps more than others(myself) in certain cases.

north jetty/the cosmos

[Lazyman]

Geoff, a couple thoughts...

Most of the subtopics sit there with little or no activity, since I've been around, so certainly condensing the list couldn't hurt. I just wonder (other than the mentioned linking from the spaceandmotion website) how much this 'condensation' will help. Then again, I must give it more thought.

As a sort of 'pet' interest, what about the wave diagram section, fold that in as well?

I like Rob's idea of a handy, concise WSM dictionary either at the forum or on the main site with a prominent link at the forum, or both.

Steve, what do you consider to be your most radical/detrimental views, I must be missing something....?

[haselhurst]

You guys are great.

I hope that you each realise how much influence you have on the rest of us. Steve - you are a great contributor here and a kind friend - please don't think about leaving us (I need your moral support!).
And I told Lazyman in an email (he was lamenting the lack of response to his wave diagram) that we all appreciate what each contributes - we just get busy and forget sometimes to acknowledge this (as I see things).

Will forum changes help?
Well they will not get us any more visitors (until I add more links from spaceandmotion website - after it is more complete - aiming for 6 months to be significantly better, will add links then.)
This will give us time to get better organised here.
I think the changes will make it easier to collect knowledge and present it is a systematic way (so that will be useful).

The Wave diagrams would go in the second section by title;

Physics: Wave Diagrams: Electron, Light, Gravity, Charge, de Broglie phase wave, Cosmology / Huygens' Principle

The definitions / dictionary could also be part of the second "Completed Articles" section. e.g.

Definition: Physics: Gravity

Definition: Cosmology: Universe
Definition: Cosmology: Finite and Infinite

Definition: Philosophy: Mind

With respect to Joe Average / One System Thinking - I think this is very important, but for me it is on the back burner as i want to focus on writing up knowledge of WSM first - need to think more about complexities of society and how we can apply WSM / simplicity / dynamic unity / one system thinking to create a 'Simple User Guide for Living on Earth as Part of Infinite Space".
It could still go in second "Completed Articles" section - with appropriate titles. Thoughts?

Does this cover above comments? Anything else?

Thanks you guys - if we are smart and organised we will succeed - we have truth on our side (and truth / reality is boss not spaceandmotion or Geoff Haselhurst - this is important to me, so I repeat it a bit!)

All the best,
Geoff

[northjetty]

Bill, Joe, and laziman have all seemed to have taken an interest in the pursuit of furthering and bettering the wave structure diagrams. This is good! That's one of the more important aspects of this knowledge. Having an image that can accurately relate the structure of our being to our eyes and to our senses seems to me to be high priority. Visual illustrations are far more easily understood by the layman/masses. This is why the "what the bleep" DVD had such a huge response. They took the audience/layman on a visual journey into the structure of matter as they understand it. We should be able to do the same with accurate wave diagrams that hit close to home and allow people to realize that they are viewing the awe inspiring inner workings of themselves, waves in space.

north jetty/the cosmos

[Rob Peritz]

Improving the layout of this forum is all well and good. I suppose that there is a place for it but the vast majority of people who will never visit here let alone hear of this forum will need to be introduced to the Dynamic Unity of Reality, as we understand it, by some other medium. Movies and books, music and games. The youth of today is influenced by those who influenced the youth of the previous generation and so on back through human history. More often than not change comes slow. We have to be patient.

Here is the problem that we all face... myth, fear, ignorance, blind obedience, hatred, stupidity, foolishness, terrorism, pride etc... etc..., Etc,,,

It is all to clear that change and embracing new ideas which lead to healthier lifestyles and a sustainable environment is the hardest choice humanity ever has to face. Look at it this way. If you could enter only one of two doors which would you choose; God and Heaven for all who enter here, or, Truth and embracing new ideas which lead to healthier lifestyles and a sustainable environment for all who enter here. Which would you choose?

We all have a choice to make, take your pick;

Why do you suppose that most people choose to believe in some form of God, heaven and eternal life even when this choice requires leaps of faith and blind obedience. Is it because the reality we face every day and with each moment is overwhelming and often brutal. Is it because that when faced with the hard facts of reality we choose to hide in our imaginations where things like Gods and Devils, dragons and fairies, heaven and magic kingdoms abide.

We face the hard facts of reality and have a choice, escape into the non-reality of our imaginations and let the reality of the moment pass, or, we can seek out truth and acclimate to it.

By embracing ideas which lead to healthier lifestyles and a sustainable environment we actively choose eternal life for our species and this world. By continuing to blindly believe in the imaginings of our ancestors we are choosing to end life as we know it for ourselves and this world.

We certainly have profound imaginations for Heaven is a illustrious fable and God is a distinguished myth that we thought up to hide from the oftentimes brutal and disturbing truth of reality but the basic choice will always be there, to hide in fear of reality or to face reality with courage and an open mind.

I choose to continue discussing reality with all of you here at this forum and I choose to write books, fiction and nonfiction, to help others have the courage to face reality as it is, not as we imagine it to be.

What will you choose to do?

~rob

[Rob Peritz]

This forum is the place where people can discuss and collect knowledge of the WSM and the DUR so that it can then be distributed as a universal and simple message presented in the most simple, logical and understandable format and/or medium available.

1. Current top say hello section - Registered users can post (no change).
Leave as is, however, I suggest the following,
Lock all topics and posts after a certain amount of time(30 days?) so that they can not be altered, edited or changed by anyone. They will become “The Archive’s” They can only be copied from.

In this way we leave only the active posts and topics at the top of the board. They can only be edited for a limited amout of time. I suggest this because there will always be new people here discussing the same things. Working out their own interpertation of allof this. Those of us who have already covered these subjects can respond if we choose to and because of limited time constraints I see this forum as a spring board for all of us to continue on with contributions to the WSM and DUR in other forums, formats and mediums once we have a good understanding of the basics.

2. Create a 'Completed Articles by Subject" section which will have around 100 posts sorted by title. Titles to be descriptive and in hierarchy like an encyclopedia.
I see the “Completed Articles by Subject" section as a place where anyone can find quick and simple answers to questions about the WSM and the DUR without having to search for it at the main spaceandmotion site. The main site will continue to grow and become an in-depth study of reality, a mega-data base of information for those interested in the how and why of the truth of reality...

The dictionary or glossary is a quick glance at the whole subject, a place where, all of us, even school children, can find answers to their simple questions about reality.

more later
~rob

[northjetty]

I, Like yourself Rob, wish to take the knowledge of space wave interconnectivity to the streets. I can certainly verify that our inherited concepts of gods, devils, heavens, and hells started out simple and not very well defined only to get increasingly complex, concrete, and legalistic with time and evolution. That can hardly be argued by anyone with a solid understanding of world mythology. The harsh realities of life are what brought about the evolution of our mythologies on a global scale. The statement's that you've made here all hold up with respect to solid scholarship and knowledge.

"The Kingdom of Heaven is within you"-Luke

"The kingdom of the father is spread upon the earth but men do not see it"-Thomas

"Tat Tvam Asi"(You are it!)-Hindu Upanishads

The actual messages contained in these metaphors are that eternity is here among the forms of time, when these mythologies are all broken down to their basic simplicity. That certainly holds as true with respect to eternal space being within us all, thus we are it, and it is spread upon the face of the earth while few men can see it. Perhaps if the mythologies are presented in terms of their correlation and agreement with the new found truth, the science of the day will be better received by the layman. This is a good consideration for those of us who will be taking this knowledge to the streets through art, music, literature, film and so forth.

north jetty/the cosmos

[Bill Fisher]

A few of my ponderings

I think there is a big gap between sexuality section and the high IQ stuff.

Wave management: understanding human and institutional behaviour.

[Rob Peritz]

Agreed northjetti,
Taken it to the streets....
I've printed out some of this information and put it up on bulletin boards around here. Anonymous in nature as I am a private person for the most part. But If I were younger and knew that this information could get me laid....
I’d be all over it... hanging at the beach preaching truth
~rob

[Bill Back]

What to do with IT? Knowing that electricity exists did not make much difference to man, until it was put to use. Let us put the knowledge of Unity and Waves to use , if only to eliminate fear. How can this knowledge (or is it imagination?) (or are they the same ?) make life better for all? Matter replication? Instant mass communication? Time travel? Pollution free energy? Perpetual motion? Emotional stability?
Everlasting love? Eternal presence ? Delightful music? Euphoric Entertainment? Human Healing? Earthly Perfection? Satisfying Occupation/ Vacation? Smiling Sensation?

Kind of sounds like a Steve Wonder song.

"Takin' it to the streets" Sounds like Dooby Brothers to me.

[Rob Peritz]

Hello there Bill,

Knowledge and imagination.... in a sense they are the same but that makes no difference to the fact that space exists. Space, and waves in and of space, exists eternally.

After our star formed, life on this world evolved to the point where many species could retain knowledge and some even evolved imagination which in turn led to an understanding of the truth of the Dynamic Unity of Reality. I’m speaking of course of humans and the fact that we evolved to the point that we attempt to understand why and how almost as an afterthought to our simple beginnings. We complicate existence so much with our imagination when in reality it is so simple. Having knowledge of our simple beginnings will answer questions that have been hidden by our imaginations.

I was referring to the Dooby Brothers in my above post, I’m glad that you caught that, some of the younger generations might not...

What to do with this knowledge... In time it will effect every aspect of daily life... for now we are perhaps two dozen people out of billions, we need all the help we can get. “We have only just begun, - the Carpenters,” We could continue quoting songs, poets, philosophers, and such but I agree with you here; “Let us put the knowledge of Unity and Waves to use” - Bill Black

I’m putting together what I currently understand of this knowledge into a fiction story that I hope to sell to a magazine. The basic seed of this knowledge will be planted in a few more minds and perhaps someone who reads my little story will search the internet for waves and space, space and motion... Who knows what they will find... Who knows what they may bring to the table from a little seed... perhaps... perhaps “pollution free energy”... Perhaps...”Instant mass communication”. Maybe somebody will read one of my little stories to Steve Wonder and he will be inspired to write more delightful music.
Anyway that’s about all I can do. I’m not good at public speaking and I dropped out of school. I have so little time to spare that it will take me months to put together one short story... But I will and I hope to get it published and perhaps a seed will be planted...
Thanks for the inspiration Bill
Wave on
~rob

[haselhurst]

Hi All,

It must be true that all human knowledge is imagined, as it is a product of the mind.
However, matter itself has knowledge about other matter in its finite spherical universe as it is created by this other matter's out waves (which form its in waves as per Huygens Principle).
Thus we humans can have imagined knowledge that correctly corresponds to these real things that exist, waves in space.

We should add these two terms (imagination and knowledge) to our definitions!

And i will be working on the 'Completed Articles' section this week.
Cheers,
Geoff

[haselhurst]

Hi All,

Curious as to your thoughts on changes?

And a nice background image would be useful / add some class.
To reflect art science philosophy wisdom truth reality nature society cosmos utopia ...

And maybe a few more important quotes across the bottom of the page.
Suggestions?

I am now officially back at work on website - scary!
I have a ten week plan (over next 4 months) to re-write 100 most important pages at spaceandmotion and also helping here building our 100 completed articles section - as a way of proving;

That we can deduce the most simple science theory of reality - both from Occam's Razor of Science and Dynamic Unity of Reality of Metaphysics.
These arguments contain no opinion, they are true.
i.e.
We all commonly experience existing in Space.
This is the one and only thing that we all commonly experience.
(Matter and Mind are many things, and time is really the observation that both mind and matter are in motion / changing, not a thing in itself.)

And if we consider Space, we must then consider its properties (Aristotle, Metaphysics). Again there is only one solution given the well accepted particle / wave duality of light and matter. If there are no particles, then we are forced to a wave structure of light and matter, thus Space must necessarily have the properties of a wave medium.
None of this is opinion - it is all deduced from accepted foundations of Science.

Most importantly, we can then deduce that the Wave Structure of Matter in Space is true, that it correctly deduces the fundamentals of physics, and explains / solves the central problems of philosophy and metaphysics. (Which relate to necessary connection, and which WSM obviously explains due to spherical in and out waves in a continuously connected space / wave medium).

This is exactly as you would expect if science does actually work (with a bit of help from philosophy / metaphysics) and you correctly knew reality.

You are each important parts of very important / profound work for Humanity.
I am getting better organised.
With your help we can do amazing things.
We have truth and reality on our side.
Kindness and sincerity in our hearts.
And the most important quest in the history of humanity, to save humanity from its own ignorance and destruction - by showing them how simple, sensible and useful truth and reality are (liberation from our slavery to ignorance and deception).

Cosmos,
Geoff

The gift of truth excels all other gifts. (Buddha)

[Bill Back]

“INTERVENTION IS IRREVERSABLE.” Einstein

Should we experiment making matter out of waves? Or leave that for Space(God) to do? Since we are space we can, or are we already doing it all the time?

It has been my job to make people think. I tell all my students, “I can teach you a lot of things, but I would rather have you learn to teach yourself. You will learn better and continue to learn when school is out.”

Yesterday at the dentist. (a true story).
Dentist: “Got any hobbies? Besides traveling?”
Me: “I discuss the wave structure of matter on line.”
Dentist: “Is it particles or waves?”
Me: “Particles are standing waves.”
Dentist: (His eyes light up, He understands) “ How do you know?”
Me: (I silently smile.)
Dentist: (He looks into my eyes.) “Oh!… You just know.”
Me: (I continue to smile) “We all do.”

[northjetty]

This really is the simple explanation. In time this should all take off on it's own power, the power of the truth. Being that we now have an explanation for the origin of the natural laws, and for the particle/wave duality, and so on, this should all filter into main stream thought at some point. The real goal here right now is to provide strong links to relevant subjects on the site. The wsm can weigh in here, there, and everywhere that relevant subject matter is being discussed on the web. That certainly gets the cosmology out there. This new way of looking at things is taking off pretty early on in a new century, but it looks to me like it's the up and coming replacement for the standard model of the universe.



north jetty/the cosmos

[Steve Anthony]

[Bill Back]

yes Steve, my intention is not to lead others to conclusions, but to stimulate them to follow thier own path. Do conclusions end the process of thinking? Good to here your unity again...

[Lazyman]

Steve,

Welcome back, glad that Thaddeus and I could help

[Steve Anthony]

Hi,

[Lazyman]

[Steve Anthony]