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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 4:13 am    Post subject: Mystery, the final stage of self realization Reply with quote

I've summarized the four functions of mythology in "How to read a mythology". The strong point that is being made throughout this study is that we need to understand everything we possibly can about reality, and then recognize the remaining mystery. The ultimate 'self', is the 'continuous space wave medium', infinite and eternal. But there can be no reason as to why a continuous space wave medium exists-it simply exists. We simply exist, along with the 'continuous medium' of which we are 'formed'-this is the ultimate realization of 'self'. To be operating in full accord with the truth, is to live in the recognition of 'self' as being the continuous wave medium, then, the recognition of the wave mediums remaining 'mystery' as being applied to your own 'self'.

This puts science in accord with traditional mythology and the later theologies that have evolved out of ancient mythology. I have some theories that pertain to how the new found wave structure knowledge applies to what I have been reading concerning how to properly interpret a mythology. It may well be that the 'Uga cycles', as understood in the east, have some sort of valid understanding about how we move up and down over the centuries. in terms of our human thought capabilities and understanding. The 'Kali Uga' seems to correspond with the 'dark ages' period of history where things sort of bottomed out for a while. If that is correct, then we are currently on an upward moving trend where we should expect to see 'rapid advancement' in 'human knowledge' and 'understanding'. This could well be the dawn of a Utopian era where 'dark age' theology and physics fall off altogether, leaving the world to move forward and advance into a proper understanding of reality, as we seem to be doing at present. This way of thinking warrants a 'cautious optimism' about the future state of the world. But their may be great upheavals before we get their. I should state that the perspectives here are my own, and 'do not' reflect the established content of this web site-it's a work in progess.

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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Quantum Paradigm

"And since, as history abundantly shows, people's views of the universe are bound up with their views of themselves and of their society, this debate has implications far beyond the realm of science, for the core of the cosmological debate is a question of how truth is known. How these questions are answered will shape not only the history of science, but the history of humanity. The emerging revolution in science extends beyond cosmology. Today the study of the underlying structure of matter, 'particle physics', is intimately tied up with cosmology - the structure of the universe, theorists argue, is the result of events in the 'first instants of time'. If the Big Bang hypothesis is 'wrong', then the 'foundation' of modern particle physics 'collapses' and entirely 'new approaches' are required. Indeed, particle physics also suffers from an increasing 'contradiction' between 'theory and experiment'. Equally important, if the Big Bang never occurred our concept of 'time' must change as well. Instead of a universe finite in time, running down from a fiery start to a dusty, dark finish, the universe will be 'infinite in duration', continuously evolving. (Eric Lerner, 1992)

The above quote shows the directional future of quantum physics and cosmology in general. By having an understanding the wave structure of space, it seems as if I've now pushed the limits of what a human can think about to extend to an 'infinite reaching scale' at this point in my research. By understanding the 'universe' as merely a finite area about 10^80 of 'space wave interaction' taking place within the ultimate realm of an 'infinite space', full of wave motion and thus spherical standing wave centers/particles being spread throughout it's infinite magnitude, I'm now faced with an 'infinite reaching' amount of 'categories of human thought' to consider. This new understanding of the wave structure of matter cosmology is a lot different than that of the 'closed' expanding boundary model of the big bang cosmology. There, time/space/matter are all 'closed' into the inside of an expanding and contained boundary. The universe, according to the big bang model, currently means "all that exists" suggesting that 'nothing exists' outside of the 'boundary' of this proposed expansion.

THE FUNCTIONS OF MYTHOLOGY

1. "The first function is that of reconciling 'consciousness' to the preconditions of its 'own existence'-that is, of aligning waking 'consciousness' to the 'mysterium tremedum', 'mystery' of this universe, as it 'is'. If one can not affirm 'that', one is not affirming 'life', for that is what life 'is'. Whether one thinks of the mythology in terms of the affirmation of the world as it is, the negation of the world as it is, or the restoration of the world to what it ought to be, the first function of mythology is to arouse in the 'mind' a sense of the 'awe' before this situation through one of three ways of participating in it: by moving out, moving in, or 'effecting a correction'. This I would regard as the essentially religious function of mythology-that is, the mystical function, which represents the discovery and recognition of the dimension of the mystery of being".

2. "The second function of a traditional mythology is 'interpretive', to present a consistent 'image' of the order of the 'cosmos'. At about 32,000 BC the concept of a 'cosmic order' came into being, along with the notion that society and men and women should participate in that cosmic order because it is, in fact, the basic order of one's life. In the period of the high civilizations, one comes to the experience of a great 'mystery' that manifests itself so 'impersonally' that one cannot even pray to it, one can only be in 'awe' of it. The 'Gods' themselves are simply 'agents' of that 'great high mystery', the 'secret' of which is found in 'mathmatics'. This can still be observed in our sciences, in which the mathmatics of 'time and space' are regarded as the 'veil' through which the 'great mystery', the tremendum, shows itself".

3. "The third function of a traditional mythology is to validate and support a specific moral order, that order of the society out of which that mythology arose.
all mythologies come to us in the field of a certain specific culture and must speak to us through the 'language and symbols' of that culture. In traditional mythologies, the notion is really that the moral order is organically related to or somehow of a piece with the cosmic order. Through this third function, mythology reinforces the moral order by shaping the person to the demands of a specific geographically and historically conditioned social group".

4."The fourth function of traditional mythology is to carry the individual through the various stages and crises of life-that is, to help persons grasp the unfolding of life with integrity. This wholeness means that individuals will experience events, from birth through midlife to death, as in accord with, first, 'themselves', and, secondly, with their 'culture', as well as, thirdly, 'the universe', and, lastly, with that 'mystery' beyond themselves and all things."-Joseph Campbell

MOYERS: one of the intriguing points of your scholarship is that you do not believe science and mythology(religion) conflict.

CAMPBELL: No, they don't conflict. Science is breaking through now into the MYSTERY DIMENSIONS. It's pushed itself into the sphere the myth is talking about. It's come to the EDGE.

MOYERS: The edge of being-

CAMPBELL: -the edge, the interface between what can be known and what is never to be discovered because it is a MYSTERY that transcends all human research. The source of life- what is it? No one knows. We don't even know what an atom is, whether it is a WAVE or a PARTICLE-it is both. We don't have any idea of what these things are. That's the reason we speak of the divine. There's a transcendent energy source (which we now know to be space). When the physicist observes subatomic particles, he's seeing a trace on a screen. These traces come and go, come and go, and we came and go, and all life comes and goes. That 'energy' is the informing energy of 'all things'. Mythic worship is addressed to that." - Campbell


Most of the progressive religions have penetrated the standard model BIG BANG cosmology to it's 'mystery factor'. That's the 'final realization' that is to be learned through a given mythology - the 'mystery factor' of 'life and existence'. In Indian art you can see the deity cutting off it's own head in the symbolic mythological imagery, suggesting that even it, the very ultimate deity itself, as an 'image', as a 'form' that you are looking at and see with your eyes, is 'not' the ultimate reality that is to be 'realized' in the teaching. The symbolic mythical deity image is cutting it's own head off in order to convey the message that the 'ultimate reality' is only found in 'no thought', 'no image', 'no form' -transcendence.

It's very easy to see this transcendent reality in the standard model BIG BANG cosmology. There's a definite 'nothingness' out there beyond the expansion boundary of the growing universe according that model. So the ultimate 'self realization' for some one to grab from the big bang cosmology universe is to be found in the absolute 'mystery' of existence itself it seems. Something had to have 'existed', in order to 'expand' outward into everything that is 'existing right now'- there's a 'perpetual nature' to 'existence' itself, whether you're considering a big bang or otherwise. Here's another strong point that stems from Campbell's lecture and Q&A sessions that delve into what a metaphor is suggesting within a mythology, or a religion if you prefer.

The hero's journey, p. 160

" Campbell: There's a famous line at the close of Goethe's Faust: "Everything phenomenal or temporal is but a metaphor." And then Nietzsche topped that a few years later by saying, "everything eternal is but a reference, a metaphor." Now the function of mythology is to help us to experience everything temporal as a reference. And also to the so-called eternal verities as merely references. Mythology opens the world so that it becomes transparent to something that is beyond speech, beyond words-in short, what we call transcendence. The first field that has to be transcendentalized this way is the field of the environment that we're in, the world that we live in. So that we can see the whole world as opening up to a dimension of wonder and mystery. Every object in the world speaks of this mystery, the mystery of life and consciousness pours in through the various bodies and beings round about. It must then show you yourself that you are similarly transparent to transcendence."

p.158

" Now I'm interested in the biological thing because I think of mythology as a function of biology. Let's say that every organ of the body has its energy impulse, an impulse to action, and it is the human experience of the conflicts of these different energies inside, and this is what constitutes the psyche. It's NATURE TALKING. And 'mythology' is the expression in 'personified images' of these ENERGIES." (end quote)

The god of Israel, is the same god of Christianity, as well as Islam, as most are well aware of. So it's sensible to gain a 'correct understanding' of how the ancient Israelites viewed there own God, Yahwey Elohim, which then leads to what the rest of western theology has been entirely 'based upon' in the first place. We're teaching people that God is an image, like our own image, but far away out there somewhere else in a place known to us as heaven. This seems to be an elementary understanding of God-an understanding geared for the young children until they reach an age where they can properly understand 'eternity', and then how it relates to 'time'. The elementary God understanding works for the most part, but it neglects to cover the issue of eternity and how it 'relates' to time, in terms of the 'two' actually being 'one'-this is the important issue of learning about the term God. If God, or the eternal spirit, is 'everywhere all at once', then the very term 'God' has to be pointing toward 'existence itself'-it points to that which is of no real origin-that which has always been and will always be existing. When we look back at how our ideas of a God have evolved out of the judean/Israelite relgion into the current era, we can see that they have changed a lot over the years due to people getting stuck in the literal 'personifying aspects' of the 'symbolic images'-the metaphors.

(Judaism p.415-418) " The fiats of 'God' in the first chapter of genesis are CREATIVE FORCES...the WORD OF GOD is sometimes vividly PERSONIFIED... but it is an ERROR to see in such 'personification' an approach to PERSONALIZATION! The WORD OF GOD in the Hebrew scriptures is the MEDIUM or instrumentality of revelation , or the communication with men."

The 'creative forces' of the universe are now seen to be 'quantum waves' that are moving through an eternally existing amount of space as we are discovering nowadays. There is an 'energy' at work that has always been at work, in terms of understanding space as a continuous vibrating wave 'medium'. This matches some of our early concepts of having a God that creates everything out of 'himself', or 'herself', as the earliest concepts show. He, or She, has always been there and everything comes out of him/her perpetually. "He/She" represents existence itself, thus "He/She" represents eternity itself. "He/She" has to be seen as a symbol "Himself/Herself" at some point as you get deeper and deeper into the issue-it becomes known to you that it's the 'pereptual energy of existence itself' that we're calling "He/She" in the literal personified readings. This is the point where 'transcendence' comes into view. Once we've stripped everything down to the 'wave medium itself', we've lost all of the finite 'forms and images', and we are now looking at the 'clear space wave medium' that everything is formed out of and has a common relationship to. By getting to down to the level of 'quantum physics', we have discovered the 'truth' about our ancient conceptions of having an ever-present creator God that forms all things. The ancient God represents something, it represents transcendence as it goes.

The Chhandogya Upanishad, chapter 12

-bring me a fruit of that banyan tree.

-here it is sir.

-break it.

-it is broken ,venerable sir.

-what do you see there?

-these seeds, exceedingly small.

-break one of these, my son.

-it is broken, venerable sir.

-the father said: what do you see there?

-nothing at all, venerable sir.

-the father said: That subtle essence, my dear, which you do not perceive there-from that very essence this great banyan arises. Believe me, my dear. Now, that which is the subtle essence-in it all that exists has it's SELF. That is the TRUE. That is the SELF. THOU ART THAT, Svetaketu. (TAT TVAM ASI)

Space itself is the 'subtle essence' that the boy could not 'see' with his eyes-the foundation of the banyan tree and everything material that exists. The clear essence of the space that we exist in and are a part of is the ultimate self-realization- it's the 'That' of which 'thou art'. That which has always been and will always be is our true nature, our true self. This is very clear in the mythologies even though we have fallen short of understanding this as a whole over the centuries.

When dealing with an 'eternal space' without beginning or end, we're talking about what exists-what 'is'. We are talking about an 'infinite amount of existence' with no borders or boundary to confine it. It doesn't come from 'nothing', space is a 'continuous wave medium' out of necessity, thus a something - the 'subtle essence' is invisible, yes, but that which we do not see is the 'something' out of which everything has arisen.

If space reaches out to an infinity going on and on, then space has an infinity of matter spread around itself due to it's own 'wave motions' that form matter 'ever-occurring' throughout the magnitude of itself - this a grand realization. The only 'forms', or 'images', that exist in the infinite magnitude of space, are the areas where this transparent, dark void looking wave medium, has had it's own energy waves come together, within itself, to form spherical standing wave centers, or particles, thus forming 'matter' in 'space' - that includes material beings such as ourselves.

Now, an image can be viewed in the vast 'clear space', a spherical image that is made out of the energy of the 'continuous wave medium', to be exact. So the 'medium' of the formless space itself is present in the spherically formed wave center, which we call a 'particle of matter' in physics. The two, the form of space, and the formless space, are 'one' - the 'finite' and the 'infinite' are 'one'. This is the very message that we find time and again culture to culture world wide - everyone seems to have a 'hero mythology' about 'self-realization' with the 'eternal'. The spherical standing wave 'image' is formed out of the 'energy waves' converging in the 'clear medium of space', and this is what we have come to realize in quantum physics about how the 'infinite' forms the 'finite' out of 'itself'.

"The inward wave rotates phase at the center, reverses direction, and becomes the outward wave. The factor 1/r causes the wave amplitude to decrease inversely as the radius increases. At r -> 0, the amplitude of the separate waves is INFINITE. But when the two solutions are COMBINED the opposite signed INFINITIES cancel and a FINITE 'spherical standing wave' results." - Milo Wolff

So we now have a 'detailed' understanding in 'quantum physics' of how the 'infinite' actually becomes 'finite'- there it is for all to see and contemplate. The 'many' different things that we encounter in space, matter and particles, that can be counted as 1 2 3 4 5 , are no more than the various 'forms and images' that are made out of the 'finite wave centers' that are existing in the 'infinite amount of space wave medium'. So everything is 'interconnected' and 'inter-dependent' through quantum wave physics on an 'eternally reaching scale' and we now have the proper 'language' to describe and connect this 'common reality' that we share with the rest of infinite space.

There's no 'boundary' here to speak of in terms of space itself as I've said earlier-this differs from the big bang model. Space, going on forever, means that there is no 'outside of space', no 'beyond space'. Time, clearly seen to be the 'perpetual wave motions of space', means that there is no 'boundary' to 'time' either - it's not a 4th dimension at all as was speculated in the last century. In attempting to penetrate the science of the day to it's 'mystery factor', 'Space and Time', or simply 'wave medium and it's motion', are the only 'mystery' left to realize in this new and improved cosmology of our current era.

The true 'mystery' about the wave medium and it's motion is to be found in realizing for yourself the unavoidable fact that there can be 'no beginning' to an 'eternal space', no 'birth' of it, no real 'origin' to it-energy has always existed in the form of wave motion. That's the ultimate 'mystery' of an 'infinite space' as I've come to understand it-this is where our thoughts properly transcend.

"Likewise it is 'mystery' as to 'why space exists' with wave properties that allow us / complex thinking life to evolve. We know it is true - our own existence confirms this." -Geoff Haselhurst, Philosopher of Science

This just narrows the 'final mystery', or the 'transcendence' down to being the mystery of having 'no origin' and having 'no end'- As Lerner described at the top of the page. This is quite obviously the 'alpha and omega' God teaching that we find in our ancient mythologies - the simple truth about existence itself in the form of a metaphor. There must be something 'perpetual' that 'exists' in order for 'existence' itself to even be existing right now, here, while we are engaged in contemplating it - this is 'simple logic' and the ancients knew it! They just didn't know that is was space, as a continuous wave medium exactly. In our modern era, we can add the depth of knowledge that the space around us, that we are made out of, and exist as members of, is the actual 'alpha and omega' metaphorical teaching of old, as I've come to realize at long last. From this perspective there is a 'deep truth' about the reality of space contained in our 'modern religions', that traces back to our 'ancient mythologies', and can be readily recognized now through the 'facts' of our evolved 'quantum wave physics'.

" Now I'm interested in the biological thing, I think of 'mythology' as a function of biology" (which is a function cosmology!, emphasis mine), It's nature talking." - Campbell

So in approaching 'human biology' from this new perspective, our bodies themselves have there very 'energy', their very 'life and existence', from the same 'perpetual wave energies' of this 'continuous space wave medium' that we're discovering through quantum wave physics now. Our 'thoughts' have a necessary connection with the foundational 'conflicting wave energies of space', and it's the 'conflicting biological energies' of the material body that are what brought about the early evolving 'mythological ideas' that express a 'sacred relationship' between 'eternity and time' as it goes. This went on to become the 'popular world religions of today' and there's something to be 'realized' by connecting all of these different aspects. Because we are now finding out through quantum wave physics that the two, 'eternity and time', are physically connected as 'one existing thing', it becomes very self-evident as to why that 'specific message' is so 'ancient' and 'detectable' within our various world mythologies.

It's quite obviously because it's the 'truth' about reality that comes to us from 'within'- it's what we truly are. That would also explain why this understanding currently exists right under the 'surface story lines' of our own 'evolved popular western religious texts', sort of going as 'unnoticed' for the most part even today. It would appear that this is the logical underlying TRUTH that finally sets us free - according to this in-depth understanding of religion and world mythology. The truth about reality sets us 'free' from the 'ignorance' of feeling 'separated and isolated' from everything else that exists around us - this is a 'perceived illusion' caused by our very own natural deceptive senses, the 'devil inside' so to speak. "You will know the truth, and the truth shall set you free". Amen!

The Gospel Truth,

P.26 " The bible is a 'restatement' of more 'ancient mythologies'. With a little research you can easily find that much of the genesis myth comes from the Babylonians. The flood myth is seen in at least 400 different cultures world wide and many of those possessing this myth are much older than the judean/israelites. The stories of Noah's sons, Jacob's wrestling with an angel (from the wrestling match of Gilgamesh and Enkidu, c. 2100 BCE), Issac's "sacrifice", Solomons judgement, the Cain and able myth ( which is taken directly from the Persians without even changing the names), and the Samson myth including his destruction of the temple via the pillars all came from the legends and myths which 'predated' the existence of the judean/israelites by many CENTURIES."

" The Power of Myth" p.31 "

"The story that we have in the west, so far as it is based on the bible, is based on a view of the universe that belongs to the first millenium b.c. It does NOT ACCORD with our concept either of the 'universe' or of the dignity of 'man'. It belongs entirely somewhere else. We have today to learn to get back into accord with the 'wisdom of nature' and realize again our brotherhood with the 'animals' and with the 'water' and the 'sea'. To say that the divinity informs the world, and all things, is condemned as PANTHEISM (by the western churches). But PANTHEISM is a misleading word. It suggests that a 'personal god' is supposed to 'inhabit the world', but that is 'not' the idea at all. The idea is TRANS-THEOLOGICAL. It is of an UNDEFINABLE, INCONCEIVABLE MYSTERY, thought of as a POWER, that is the 'source' and 'end' and 'supporting ground' of all life and being."- Campbell


This is all 'extremely unorthodox' to most people, but I'm almost certain at this point in my researching that this is what all of the 'silent references' are dealing with that occur here and there in the canonized new testament writings of the bible. The mysterious 'original writers' of the new testament letters came from the near eastern area and they had a very direct and obvious 'knowledge' of these 'deeper eastern mythological meanings' that they specifically 'drew from' when they were writing the 'new testament letters'- this all happening right before the DARK AGES set in. There isn't anything wrong at all with what the writers were doing in terms of using easten knowledge, people of different cultures shared information 'liberally' with one another in those days - this isn't 'plagiarism' like we might think of it today-no elaborate conspiracy.

There are 'silent' references to the 'Goddess' occurring throughout the bible itself, such as the "waters" that God the father "brooded over" in his creation act in Genesis 1 - the 'water' is an obvious reference to the 'Goddess symbol'. Yahwey traces to the Egyptian Goddess's Isis and neith by going as "I am, I will be". The western priests in the old testament writings made a very obvious use of the world wide mythological sacred order of numbers "432"- this is from the age of the higher cultures and the mathmatical insights that they passed on. These numbers can be presented with any order of zero's following them in a mythology, such as 432,000, 432,000,000 and so on.This is used in the calculations between patriarchs such as Adam to Noah and so on. The new testament writers, especially John the divine?, were certainly not ignorant at all to the 'chakra system' of the east, nor the 'mystery religions', nor 'Greek mythology and philosophy', nor 'Zoroastrianism', nor 'eastern mythology' in general. They lived on a 'trade route' that connected the 'east with the west'! Christianity is said to have been a 'mystery religion' originally, which would completely explain the underlying mythical "Mystery" dialogue that we find so ingrained into it's mythic structure.

What if the writers knew about the 'Uga cycles of the east'- that we were moving into a dark age, or KALI UGA at that time in history? What if they knew that we were heading into a LOW PERIOD of human understanding for a while, and they were trying to SAVE very valuable 'ancient information' that dates back to the rise of the high cultures for humanity to 'recover in the future', after the LOW PERIOD of human understanding and knowledge passed by? Not to be too overly specific here, but there are certainly comments made in the new testament writings where things are being discussed in 'private' in the story line, and where it's noted that a 'private talk' occurred in the story, but the 'private talk' concerns a 'mystery' that is not to be revealed openly until a later date! There are definite 'understandings' within Christianity that say that Jesus would be coming from the 'east' at the time of the biblical second coming event. That's an interesting part of the story, considering how it was the 'eastern enlightenment' about 'eternity and time' that the character of 'Jesus' was clearly illustrating in John 10:30 "I and the Father are one". Here's some more into this issue:

The Power of Myth, p.210-211

Campbell: Now this ultimate ground of all being can be experienced in two senses, one as with form and the other as without form. When you experience your god as with form, there is your envisioning mind, and there is the god. There is a subject, and there is an object. But the ultimate mystical goal is to be 'united with one's god'. With that, duality is transcended and 'forms disappear'. There is nobody there, no god, no you (no specific image, emphasis mine). Your mind, going past all concepts, has 'dissolved in identification with the ground of your own being', because that to which the 'metaphorical image' of your GOD refers is the ultimate MYSTERY of your OWN BEING as well, which is the mystery of the being of the WORLD itself. And so THIS is IT. (eternity is represented in all of the forms of time, emphasis mine)

moyers: Of course the heart of the christian faith is that GOD was in CHRIST, that these elemental forces you're talking about embodied themselves in a human being who reconciled mankind to god. (as if we are 'all' not to identify with the character of the story)

Campbell: Yes, and the Gnostic and Buddhist idea is that that is true of YOU and ME as well. Jesus was a historical person who realized in himself that HE and what he called the FATHER were ONE, and he lived out of that KNOWLEDGE of the Christhood of his nature. (the knowledge that he is connected to the whole)

moyers: What did you mean by the CHRIST IN YOU?

Campbell: What I meant was that you must live not in terms of your own ego system, your own desires, but in terms of what you might call the sense of mankind-THE CHRIST in YOU. There is a Hindu saying, "none but a god can worship a god." You have to identify YOURSELF in some measure with whatever spiritual principle your GOD represents to YOU in order to worship him properly and live according to his word.

moyers: In discussing the god within, the Christ within, the illumination or the awakening that comes from within, isn't there a danger of becoming narcissistic, of an obsession with 'self' that leads to a 'distorted view' of oneself and the world? (thinking that you are God, but not thinking that everything else around you is god as well)

Campbell: That can happen, of course. That's a kind of SHORT-CIRCUITING of the current. But the whole aim is to go 'past oneself', past one's 'concept of oneself', to that of which one is but an imperfect manifestation. When you come out of a meditation, for example, you are supposed to end by yeilding all of the benefits, whatever they may be, to the WORLD, to ALL LIVING BEINGS, not holding to YOURSELF....You are GOD, not in your EGO, but in your DEEPEST BEING, where you are at ONE with the NON-DUAL TRANSCENDENT." (this is like identifying with the continuous wave medium of space that is common to every image in space, but is not any 'one specific image alone', it's every image that exists)

I'm thinking that the final 'mystery' that we find lingering around in the new testament writings could only be a reference to the ultimate mythological 'mystery factor' at this point in my journey. This could possibly be a reference to a 'Judean inner-group understanding' that one day, after the LOW PERIOD of human development passes, no one knowing the 'day or the hour', the people will finally know that they themselves are the very 'mystery factor' itself, the source of all things, as is taught in the older more developed 'eastern mythologies' - the original human 'self-realization' that the 'Christ symbol' arrives at in the new testament story format in John 10:30, and most of the gnostic gospels as well. Theoretically, that would be a time when the 'Mystery is revealed' according to this logic. The mythological 'self-realization' with the underlying 'mystery of existence' was there in the stories originally for sure, it was sort of 'hidden out of direct sight' below the surface story lines that have been read as 'literal' up until now, for what ever the reasons. The writers back then should have known good and well that the 'ultimate mystery' would be undermined due to 'human error' in trying to understanding things like the 'infinite and finite' during a LOW POINT in human knowledge. That seems like a logical understanding that could have been a major part of the original 'rebellious movement' taking place within Judaism, which kick started Christianity as we know it today - why the writers would have encorporated these 'eastern mythical images' to there own mythologically structured religion, as an example of how to properly read the symbols. To me, this looks like an attempt to bring the ancient 'eastern enlightenment' through self realizing the 'Mystery factor' of your own existence, into the 'Judean religious structure', by very 'knowledgable people' living on a trade route that linked the 'East with the West', in a time when things were going down hill - falling into a dark age cycle.

I'm trying to look at these old stories for what I can say that they actually are in terms of there mythological images. They are quite obviously combinations of 'various near eastern mythic content' which trace back to where the original 'mythic content' came from in the first place. This then lead's directly to the experience of the internal conflicting 'biological energies' of the human body itself. From there it can be traced back to the conflicts that are taking place between the raw wave energies of space itself, or simply 'existence'-the mystery. If the basic mythological 'symbolic information' about 'eternity and time' was known originally, which I suspect, then that 'specific information' would have certainly been known among the priestly initiates and scripture writers of that era who were using it in there own story writing, while the larger lay community would only understand the sacred writings in terms of the 'surface storyline value' of the verbal public readings for the most part. This is traditionally viewed from a literalized, historically 'personified', presentation of the religions 'mythological images'. This causes the common people of the religion to want to 'stop' at the 'images themselves' in some cases, thinking that the 'God' is referring to some 'form or image' out there, 'away' from here, 'somewhere else' entirely - off away in heaven, far away from 'us' here, and not the very 'same as us' here. (heaven means 'eternity', thus this suggests that 'eternity is not present here in time'). This is a very misleading conception of the term God - of eternity/existence. But on the bright side of things, it may well have 'preserved the writings' long enough for us to 'advance' to a level of being able to identify the meaning of the 'ancient symbols' once again, and perhaps to learn to appreciate them again for there considerably 'deep reaching physical truths' about existence.

It's just a simple fact that the 'deeper symbolic meanings' of the mythological images would have been 'hidden' from the eyes of the larger common religious community for the most part. The 'organization' of a religion, out of it's mythological images, can not have the 'maximum amount of control' over the common people that the institution desires when the common people fully 'realize' that they 'themselves' are each extentions of the very 'mystery factor' of 'existence', in which the religion is referring to in the first place - the God symbol. This 'in-depth knowledge' about the truth associated with the term God, 'disarms fundamentalism' so to speak - it takes the 'power' out of it. So while 'literalism' may have 'preserved the messages' over time, 'literalism' may have to 'yeild' to the 'truth' about the 'metaphorical aspects' of the mythological symbols at some point.

In considering this issue, my Grandfather, who had built a physical 'church' himself, with his own money, and then donated it for 'free' to an organized institutional fundamental system of protestant Christians, was eventually kicked out of his 'very own church', that he himself had donated to the organization. He had discovered that some of the church treasurer's were stealing tithes and offering money, he, being the biggest tithe and offering giver, investigated the issue indepth! It turned out that the thievery went all the way to head of the state wide organization itself, and he had been complaining all the while to the 'head thief '- the president of the state wide organization! They sent a pastor down to the church, who was supposed to be their 'tough guy', to threaten and eventually drive my grandfather out the church he donated. They then closed the church not long after this ex-communication and put it on the market because the church itself sits on very valuable property in the Florida keys. I was out raged! This gave me the drive to want to fully investigate my own church system, and then go on to investigate Christianity in general - it put me on this path to discover the truth.

I can remember my grandfather looking me dead in the eye while giving a bible study on the sacred "tetragrammaton", and asking me why they crucified the Christ/YHWSH? I didn't say anything to that right away. He then answered, "It was for 'blasphemy', they killed him for blasphemy!" (John 10:30). I didn't entirely get the point at the time, being that I had no idea about religion on these in-depth levels, but I've certainly come to realize what he had been referring to back then. He had studied 'Yahweh', in-depth for some number of years, and I feel that he had hit the understanding of the 'self-realization' of the Jesus character issue at some point in his own research - this led to him questioning the validity of the organized 'fundamental Christian institution' that we were all raised in no doubt.

He obviously wanted me to find these things out for myself, on my own, so he simply pointed me in the direction of 'true knowledge'. He didn't say anything about 'Yahwey' tracing back to 'pre-hebrew times', to 'older pagan religions' or anything like that at the time - I found these things out on my own by taking his advise and 'researching' the name of 'Yahwey', the sacred tetragrammaton of the bible. Just a few weeks before he past away, he told me that everything that I could ever possibly 'know' in this world would stem from my 'researching' the sacred name of 'Yahweh'. He died one evening in his sleep before he could ever go any further than that - he went to bed one evening and never woke up again. Something about that experience caused me to keep the 'research' going and trying to further the understanding of this 'in-depth knowledge', about the 'religion', that he had left me with at the end of his life. This led me to discovering that the name of 'God', as "I am", is referring to 'existence itself', just as the ancient cultures had metaphored into 'personified presentations'.

So if that's it, if I'm onto something here and that's the old 'mystery' that is being referred to in the 'new testament cannon' all along, then the final MYSTERY is most certainly being 'revealed' right now through solid 'modern scholarship', 'modern biblical historical research', and new 'quantum physical developments' concerning the space that we exist within and are made entirely out of. The 'dark ages', or Kali Uga cycle of 'religion and science', are just about finished at this point in history. The 'truth' is all about 'eternal relationships', it's all about 'infinite interconnectivity', and 'infinite inter-dependency"- that's the "Good News" that can be found contained in the 'Christian writings' from my view of what has happened here with this 'rapid advancement' in human understanding. I have 'not destroyed' the term 'God' with my researching how the 'term' has evolved over years, I have simply 'defined' the term 'God' as referring to the 'mystery' that is present within 'all things' - the 'source' of everything that exists-the 'continuous space wave medium' that moves and combines the various parts of 'itself' constantly and continuously without beginning or end - the final mystery of modern physics.

"I would say that it is possible to know how Reality necessarily 'works', but not to know the Infinitude of what exists. This is the 'mystery', the never ending search for what else can happen to waves of Space.

As I see it, we should be more precise with the word 'mystery'. Surely this means that we cannot / do not know 'something' about 'something'.

e.g. If the 'mystery' is to know the future motion of matter in space, then we can never know this to infinity.

Likewise, it is a 'mystery' as to 'why space exists' with wave properties that allow us / complex thinking life to evolve. We know it is true - our own existence confirms this.
But as there can be 'no reason' for what exists infinitely and eternally (reality), then this is a 'mystery' - it has no answer.

As to the properties of Space, there is currently a 'mystery' as to how waves cause human emotions and mind representations like colors and tastes. Whether this can be solved or not, I do not know. Interesting way of viewing things though - their mystery!"- Geoff Haselhurst, philosopher of science

Anacalypsis p.72-73

"All things are derived from 'one single principle', and this is the principle of 'God'. From him a substantial power immediately proceeds, which is the 'image of God', and the 'source' of all subsequent emanations...Matter is nothing more than the most 'remote effect' of the emanative energy of the deity.The material world recieves its 'form' from the immediate agancy of powers far beneath the first 'source' of being."

"The essence of any religion lies solely in the answer to the question: why do I exist, and what is my 'relationship' to the 'infinite universe' that surrounds me? ... It is impossible for there to be a person with no religion (i.e. without any kind of relationship to the world) as it is for there to be a person without a heart. He may not know that he has a religion, just as a person may not know that he has a heart, but it is no more possible for a person to exist without a religion than without a heart. (Leo Tolstoy, 1879)

God is 'not separate' from the world; He is the 'soul of the world', and each of us contains a 'part' of the Divine Fire. All things are parts of 'one single system', which is called Nature; the individual life is good when it is in harmony with Nature. In one sense, every life is in harmony with Nature, since it is such as Nature's laws have caused it to be; but in another sense a human life is only in harmony with Nature when the individual will is directed to ends which are among those of Nature. Virtue consists in a will which is in agreement with Nature. (Zeno, founder of Stoicism, 333-262 BC)

"Truth alone is eternal, everything else is momentary. It is more correct to say that Truth is God, than to say that God is Truth. All life comes from the one universal source, call it Allah, God or Parmeshwara."
(Mahatma Mohandas K. Gandhi 1869-1948)

"Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the 'patient findings' of 'thinking minds' through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the 'guides and leaders' of us all; who would force their 'feeble and childish beliefs' on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly. ... To 'surrender to ignorance' (fundamental literalism) and call it 'God' has always been premature, and it remains premature today. (Isaac Asimov)

"Two men are strolling along, one of which is the Devil; a third man is walking a ways ahead of them. The man in front stops, bends down and picks something up, and then continues on. The two men behind see this, and the man asks the Devil, "What do you suppose he found?" The devil says, "Why, he found the truth." So the first man asked, "But isn't that bad for your business?" And the Devil said, "Oh no, not at all. I'm going to help him 'organize' it."-unknown


That's certainly a bold look at things for most people but it's the simple truth. We each have the problem of looking around outside of ourselves and seeing the world as being 'discrete and separate' from 'ourselves'. This is a 'deception' caused by our natural senses - it's the mythological 'devil' that lives in each and every one of us to be precise. When we all get together to 'organize' and structure things, such as a religion, we each contribute a little bit of our 'own' deceptive qualities, hence the term "the devil is in the details". This is how I see the issue of our having 'misinterpreted' our own 'religious metaphors' for so many centuries now-an incorrect understanding of space and matter. This is also the very same natural 'deception' that was responsible for the old greek 'point particle' conception of matter. It's our 'deceptive senses' making us feel that things are 'separate' from 'one another', while the accurate 'physical and mythological' truth is that things are 'not' separate and discrete from one another at all.

As I've stated before, I'm merely on a personal search to find out what our worlds religions actually are in reality? I feel strongly about certain aspects of this research, but at the same time I do realize how hard it is for anyone to finally see through the 'literal' surface story line 'interpretations' of our biblical mythology, on to the deeper ancient 'wisdom' messages contained therein. These naturally 'deceptive interpretations' of our 'mythological images' have dominated the larger western religious community for a long time now, and I know for certain that the 'mythological images' themselves are not being taught 'correctly', to the common people, in mainstream western theology today. I certainly feel a responsibility to the larger religious community abroad to express what I've learned for myself through researching through 'comparative world mythology' and 'quantum physics' on a side by side basis, in terms of learning where the 'two' meet and merge as 'one'.

My personal opinions certainly run amuck throughout this post. I'm not trying to force anyone to accept this at all, I'm just putting out a portion of the knowledge that I've found through looking at the 'institutional system of religion' here in the west, and considering how we might correct the obvious issues in the future? Hopefully the strait-foward subject matter that I've expressed here wasn't found to be too overly 'offensive' for anyone - I just want to air out what I've found out about these various issues. To those of you who are out there researching these sorts of relgious and scientific issues right now for yourselves, good luck on your own personal research. I've found that there are many, many, different paths and avenues that finally lead to understanding the very same 'mystery factor' about existence itself. This 'mystery factor' is an absolute TRUTH of our common reality.

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