"When forced to summarize the general theory of relativity in one sentence: Time and space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter. ... Physical objects are not in space, but these objects are spatially extended ... thus the concept of particles cannot play a fundamental part, ... and can only appear as a limited region in space in which the field strength or energy density are particularly high."
(Albert Einstein, Metaphysics of Relativity, 1950)
"It is my firm belief that the last seven decades of the twentieth century will be characterized in history as the dark ages of theoretical physics. ... The quantum world is a world of waves, not particles."
(Carver Mead, Professor Emeritus at Caltech. Received $500,000 Lemelson-MIT Prize in 1999)
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Jeff Bivens
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Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:27 am Post subject: Magnetic phenomenon in WSM? |
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Greetings! I have been exploring this grand website for a few days now, and I am incouraged to see ideas that come close to my own.
I am curious to know if there is a solution/ explanation for the phenomenon of magnetics in WSM. May it be found somewhere on this website?
Thanks,
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Hi,
Firstly, there are no electric and magnetic fields, no vector em light waves.
These are relics of physics based on discrete particles connected by continuous fields.
Milo Wolff explains this well.
You must replace this with scalar waves in continuous space.
Charge (em effects) are due to wave amplitude interactions.
When a wave center is accelerated, you are really changing the velocity and ellipsoidal shape of the spherical in waves from one direction.
So I assume that a 'magnetic field' is really due to this change in the spherical in waves and how this affects its interaction with other spherical standing waves.
Does this help?
I realise it needs maths.
But the point is that Maxwell's em equations are only approximations, do not really work (and really a continuous approximation of many discrete standing wave events - which QT discovered).
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Jeff Bivens
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Hello again! Geoff, I am pleased that you could respond to my posting in person. I have a lot to share with you on the subject of wavy mass, but most important is to establish common ground. There is no doubt that spherical waves are responsible for gravity and inertia of mass. There is no doubt that a displaced wave-center gives motion to mass.
My question to you is: Have you ever considered building a physical device that could create spherical waves in a medium such as water or oil to demonstrate a proof of principal? I believe it possible! What do you think?
Thanks, I look forward to your response!
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Hi Jeff,
I have actually thought of the idea - but not much - and I think computer generation / simulation is the way to go - and incorporate real maths into computer (that correspond to real wave behaviour).
Both are beyond my abilities.
So we have a forum - and hope over time those with diverse talents will work together and discuss and do these things.
All the best,
Geoff |
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Aireal
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Jeff
In one of my posts I described a method to create spherical waves in a wave tank.
Instead of generating them on the surface, a small round balloon that was underwater and could then be expanded and contracted rapidly. Dye or oil could be introduced during the process to observe the effects.
At the time it was just a mental construct, but I believe it can be built. the tank would need be very large to reduce reflection of waves. Then again, the effects of wave reflection could prove interesting.
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Jeff Bivens
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Geoff, looks like it's early there in Australia.
When considering the value of waking up the world to concepts that to them are nearly impossible to evaluate, a physical example, that can be touched goes a long way. These days, computers create fantasy worlds. This is the perception I believe would be used to discredit such an undertaking in computer simulation.
I have tried to build simple constructions, using balloons and air, but I think that hydraulics would work better. Air, being less dense that water makes it difficult to make oscillations.
A simple design for such a device could be reached in two ways, as I see it. As described above, inject and retract a fluid into an expandable balloon, held in a medium that can carry compression waves. This could be accomplished through a small flexible tube. The second way is to create a mechanical construction that expands and contracts and put a skin on the outside of it. If placed in a dense liquid it would still need to let air inside in order to expand.
There is an alternative to liquids, and that is to place the wave generator in a something like plastic beads. If they were clear, you could still see the experiment, and air could reach through the medium.
That's all for now...
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I saw a video on youtube.
Shows waves on a sphere of water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyTwLAW-Z8c
So this is possible - just need to think of the best wave to get it to spherically vibrate.
But you really want a big medium, and see how several wave centers of spherical standing waves interact.
Interesting idea - will keep it in the back of my mind.
I think there is still much to be gained with computer animation - and probably easier and much more versatile.
Both are good!
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