Knowledge/consciousness

[northjetty]

I was conversing with Milo Wolfe via e-mail the other day about the wsm. I asked him whether it would be proper to say that wave centers hold a 'knowledge' of sorts? The reply was yes, they have to have a 'knowledge' of other wave centers in order for energy exchanges to take place. I then asked whether this 'knowledge' that is held by 'wave energy centers' can be described as a very basic level ENERGY CONSCIOUSNESS? He told me that he hadn't exactly heard that terminology as of yet, but it does apply nonetheless. He said that I can coin the 'new term' if I'd like.

The reason that I'm bringing this up is because through studying Campbell I've learned indepth, that the notion of the Christ symbol and the Buddha symbol, are perfectly equivalent orders of symbols that are expressing but one specific thing. What they are suggesting, by way of metaphor, is that a 'transcendent energy consciousness' informs all things and in that respect informs the whole world and informs you. This is what the spiritual belief actually is once it has been broken down to it's simplicity. The 'energy consciousness' is the key term here. Knowledge of the positions of other wave centers, by wave centers, is an 'energy consciousness' of the where abouts of other wave centers. This is a very primal type of basic 'energy consciousness' at the quantum wave level mind you, not a developed human being sort of consciousness, or a human mind.

" Now I'm interested in the biological thing because I think of mythology as a function of biology. Let's say that every organ of the body has its energy impulse, an impulse to action, and experience of the conflicts of these different energies inside, is what constitutes the psyche. IT'S NATURE TALKING. And mythology is the expression in personified images of these ENERGIES."-Joseph Campbell


This really leads into the basic understanding that space is itself conscious of it's 'parts' at the wave center level of space. The deeper I get into wave physics, the more I gain in understanding about what our past dream images/mythologies have been pointing towards in actuality, in terms of truth. It is profound to me that our ancestors came up with these concepts through there art and mythic dream images, which are in reality the dreams and 'energy experiences' of a large collection of ssw centers, and then put them into working metaphorical story lines. Now, centuries later, we have finally come to realize what these inner messages refer to. The meanings are becoming clearer now through a strait forward understanding of how matter actually works, and what it actually is, and what we ourselves are in relationship to the whole of it. We are the extensions of a wave level 'energy consciousness' that inhabits all matter, animate, inanimate, or otherwise. It is non stop motion and it is eternal reaching.

north jetty/the cosmos

[haselhurst]

Congratulations NJ.
1. For discussing things with Milo Wolff (he is 84 - make the most of his mind!!)
2. For writing a short concise simple essay that is very profound in its truth, because it works from WSM foundations.

Your mind is coming along in leaps and bounds.
It cheers my heart!
Cosmic congratulations!
Geoff

[northjetty]

I'm trying to put some 'science in belief', and some 'belief in science'. Through the wsm I feel that this can be achieved. A lot of unfounded former belief's will fall aside through all of this cutting right down the middle. We are made of wave centers and I think that it stems that we should always be searching to find that center within ourselves, that middle ground where dualities meet and merge as one.

If the wsm can better 'accord' with the 'world of belief' than 'traditional particle physics', it can then gain a type of 'popularity in the world' one day that particle physics science has not achieved. There is a lot of resistance towards science by the majority of God believers, and equally there is a lot of resistance by science towards God believers. I think that it is all a lot of nonsense and merely the result of a 'poor definition' of both the term 'God', and the true reality of the 'cosmos'. I agree with the teachings of Campbell that we are to accept the science of the day, and penetrate it to the spiritual value-the mystery. The 'awe and wonder' of waves in space is as 'spiritually sound' as anything in my view. It's something to believe in, something to base a new world view on.

north jetty/the cosmos

[Steve Anthony]

[northjetty]

Thanks Steve, this is a really simple thing that we have before us now. We can realize that we are made of the cosmos, and the cosmos is eternal. The cosmos is a network of energy and information exchange. We ourselves are the cosmic network of energy and information exchange. This is TRUTH. The issue of evolution is the issue of an 'energy consciousness' becomng an intelligent creature through a process of evolving. This clearly shows the spiritual insight invovled in the evolution of species.

ps- someone needs to tell that to these yahoo's! www.gnmagazine.org/evolution/

north jetty/the cosmos

[northjetty]

Here is a bit of an explanation as to why we have theologists today that are constantly trying to fight against evolutionary discoveries and the advancement of science.

" Many of the elements of the bible seem lifeless and unbelievable because they have been regarded as HISTORICAL FACTS instead of metaphorical representations of SPIRITUAL REALITIES. They have been applied in a concrete way to great figures, such as moses and john the baptist, as if they were real-time accounts of their actions. That this heavy emphasis on the historical rather than the spiritual should have continued into the twenty-first century illustrates the lag-time that the leaders of institutional religions have allowed to open up between their static ideas and the rapidly developing understandings of solid scholarship.

There is little evident progress in formal religious teaching-it fails to incorporate or even to acknowledge the advances in research that allow us to read with renewed understanding the great documents and traditions of the dominant Western religions. The spiritual needs of people are neglected by religious leaders who insist on reasserting the historical-factual character of religious METAPHORS, thereby DISTORTING and DEBASING their meaning...the tragic consequences that follow when, for the best of intentions and the worst of reasons, men battle against truth to defend their outdated belief's. Thus institutional religious leaders unnecessarily embrace a frail caricature of religion which is easily demolished by popular lecturers, totally out of their depths in theology, such as the late astronomer Carl Sagan.
Men mount expensive expeditions to locate the remains of Noah's ark on Mt. Ararat but, of course, they never find it. They believe that they have just missed it for the ark must have literally existed. The ark, however, can be found easily and without travel by those who understand that it is a mythological vessel in an extraordinary story whose point is not historical documentation but SPIRITUAL ENLIGHTENMENT. To appreciate Genesis as myth is not to destroy that book but to discover again its spiritual vitality and relevance."-Eugene Kennedy, Ph.D.


This is the hub of it all! What is interesting to me is that when we trace our evolution backwards, we come to the realization that we are each and everyone one an extension of the 'energy consciousness' of the eternal cosmos. By fiercely fighting against modern scholarship, the zealous western theologists spoken of here, cut the 'spirit' out of 'spirituality'. The eternal is to be found WITHIN, and it is evident in the nature of our being. The proper reading of mythology, as metaphorical symbols that lead to the enlightened state of understanding that there is an 'energy consciousness' at the base of all things, can be found very easily by learning the theory of evolution in relationship to the waves in space that have been evolving! The only possible hope for any real scientific, or spiritual understanding on this planet, is in getting the truth of our reality out to the youth so as the mis-directing fundamental/institutional leadership of religion slowly dies out generation by generation, there will left in it's place a well informed body of intelligent people who can accurately reconcile religion and science without unfounded conflicts. The ridiculous theological war raging on against evolutionary discoveries holds no value in terms of truth.

north jetty/the cosmos

[Bill Back]

Teaching truth to youth should not be a breaking down of other ideas but, like wave centers are aware of all other wave centers, WE ALL ALREADY KNOW THE TRUTH. It is in everything.

Puzzles (koans) with infinite parts and no borders can not be put together, because they are already together.

Individual in & out waves are parts of the one "flowave"(space).
Human minds, plant minds, rock minds and all the "tron" minds, are part of the one mind or nomind (space).

Bill (Nobody)

Ps. NJ... For a laugh watch old movie "My Name is Nobody", I saw it 3 times last week. Henry Fonda says "When you are up to your nose in **it, don't open your mouth."

[northjetty]

If we look at a SSW center, and we observe that it has the ability to sense the where abouts of near by SSW centers, then we could say that energy is conscious of it's various SSW center locations to some degree.

We can't say that a SSW center is 'mind', but if some one said yes, this is a primitive form of 'mind', that would still place 'mind' as being the many things nonetheless, as SSW centers are many. So it stands that 'mind' is many, and space is one.

This is how a human mind can come to evolve within space according to this reasoning. We are simply experiencing the other SSW centers that surround us even now at the human level. We are simply doing it in a more complex way than that of the basic sense of location that our individual ssw's are experiencing. We have developed eyes, and ears, and taste, to sense the surrounding SSW center formations that are around us in the world right now. As a complex interconnected group of SSW 'energy consciousness', we experience a human 'energy consciousness' that extends upwards from the existence of basic wave level wave center consciousness ... "It's nature talking"-Campbell

There have always been SSW centers existing in an eternal space of motion, thus the varying levels of 'energy consciousness' and 'awareness' of the space that we are in have always existed around somewhere in an eternal space. Space has always been using it's waves to experience itself all along from this sort of reasoning. 'Human thought' is extending from the basic ability of the many SSW centers to sense the location and direction of one another in space, via quantum waves carrying energy and information-acting as a massive network of energy/information exchange.

ps-What if this could be a new direction for trying to contact other intelligent life out there in space-using the quantum waves themselves to search throughout space

north jetty/the cosmos

[Bill Back]

Yes, each SSW center has a "point of view", in all directions. It is mind in it's simplest form. Is the total of all SSW centers the mind of space? Human minds are too complex to see this unless they get down to basic thought.

Like SSW centers, planets and stars are intellegent of themselves even if there is no organic life on them.

[Rob Peritz]

I have no doubt that my participation in this noble cause will be lost in time. What I can offer is insignificant compared to what will be brought to the table by those we hope to attract to this wave center of truth, still I press on...

The charged particle we see is a construct of space, a spherical standing wave center formed by enormous out-waves. But, out-waves have humble beginnings, so tiny as they leave the wave-center where they were formed. The staying power of a wave-center is amazing for it is constantly washed over like an air born seed engulfed by tidal waves from every direction, and still, the center remains true to itself. These little wave-centers hold their own amongst a universe of giant waves. Tossed about and vibrating from the experience they press on and exist. Still, they are the humble beginnings of space itself and at their very core exists everything that matters... Poor little insignificant constructs of space, I sumise that they know that they’re just little ole’ spherical standing waves. But, I don't know, if they know, that they're also the seeds of everything existing.

~rob

[Bill Back]

Let’s compare consciousness to computer software. Digital machine language 0,1 on/off is like SSW centers aware or not aware of SSW centers at a location. Assembly language is like the formation of atoms and molecules. Organic chemistry could be compared to Cobol or Basic programming. Animals and plants to MS Word or Photoshop. Human minds to Artificial Intelligence. Human race consciousness to the World Wide Web. The total of all computing to the mind of God/Space.

What I am saying is there is one “mind” with levels of complexity. Human mind is a part of God mind. Human mind can be broken down to SSW centers aware of other SSW centers.

[Bill Back]

We are very close to an understanding of the way It works that can be accepted by all science and all religion. Because it is the truth. The last hurdle is the question “What causes space waves?” To me it is obvious. Space/God/ the one Mind vibrates itself forming matter. I am not saying Mind over matter but, GOD/SPACE/MIND IS MATTER. I am open to any other answers to what causes standing spherical space waves. So please respond !…

What is hard for many to realize is that human mind is just a tiny part of the God mind, yet human mind is eternal as God/Space mind. Our bodies are part of the one Body always growing and changing till the point where we change into new bodies still part of the one mind/body….We will loose our egos but not our mind.

Love,
Bill

[northjetty]

It does seem like space is acting like a computer program or something. Information is traveling throughout an infinity out there. But we are not shaping the world around us by observing it. The world is here whether we are observing it or not, we don't create SSW centers with our observation. They exist well before they combine to become us, the observers. The shapes around us do not rely on our human observation for there existence.

So matter is very large, as opposed to small, and 'mind' is something that exists within matter-the finite sphere forward perhaps. The 'eternal consciousness', would be more primitive than 'human consciousness' along these lines of categorizing 'consciousness'. Our form of 'consciousness' is an evolved form of the eternal 'energy consciousness' from this perspective. This will require some more consideration and depth of thought, but I'm thinking that we as humans are 'extremely significant' in the scheme of 'universal awareness', as opposed to being 'insignificant' in relationship to the grand scheme of things. We are an evolved form of the basic 'consciousness' that exists in the continuous medium of space.

north jetty/the cosmos

[Rob Peritz]

HI Bill ,
You asked for a response
“ The last hurdle is the question” What causes space waves?”
I asked Geoff the same question almost a year ago in my first post/thread, 'the beauty of it all, Geoff responded with this answer.

[quote]“Where do these waves come from? A typical human question. The answer is obvious - space is the one thing that exists, thus it has always existed (infinite and eternal). As it is a wave medium, thus the waves have always existed. And to be more precise, where do our spherical In-Waves come from - they are formed from a Huygens combination of the Out-Waves of all other matter in our finite spherical universe (within infinite space).” [b]-(Geoff Haselhurst)[/quote][/b]

I didn’t understand but I was curious and began reading at the main site and from old posts here at the forum. I am a bit slow and it was two months before I felt confident enough in my understanding of the WSM to post here again... that can be found in northjetti’s The western idea of a GOD/ The wave structure of matterI’m still trying to understand all of this so I too am open to anyone who can help me understand reality.

You also asked .” What causes standing spherical space waves”.

Well, waves in space causes standing spherical space waves.
It is a perpetual system. The One thing existing, Space, with Properties of a Continuous Infinite Eternal Wave Medium, is a perpetual system. Spherical Standing Waves have always existed and they are formed by in-waves that have always existed. There was no beginning. In-waves have always been forming Spherical Standing Waves in and of Space and Spherical Standing Waves have always been sending out-waves into space. It is a perpetual system...

sorry about the repeating but I was trying to stress my point.

You also wrote this;
"What is hard for many to realize is that human mind is just a tiny part of the God mind, yet human mind is eternal as God/Space mind. Our bodies are part of the one Body always growing and changing till the point where we change into new bodies still part of the one mind/body….We will loose our egos but not our mind. " -(Bill Back)

You know Bill, I don’t know if I agree with what you are implying here. I have thought of this before but I don’t know if it is the truth... I sure don’t think that this is what the WSM is implying.

I am still grappling with reality... I hope we find the cosmic library soon... Where is the manual? Haven’t other species on other worlds figured out all of this already? Is there some joke going on here? “Look at the stupid humans they’re going to destroy their world long before they figure out that the manual is all around them". Can you hear them laughing at us?

It’s up to us man.
If we loose it’s our own fault. I have hope that we will overcome and survive but somebody has to write down a simple language that describes Reality. I think that this is exactly what Geoff is trying to do here. He’s not getting much help... I hope this makes sense to you Bill. So many people are trying to figure out reality by applying all kinds of metaphors, myths and imaginings but I think that there is only one answer, and that answer, is simple once known. We will all have to let go of some of our old beliefs if we are to survive...
Hope this helped I guess I’m just rambling now.
waveon~~~
~rob

[haselhurst]

Hi,
It was great Rob, I really appreciate it.
Made the point well!
Then hammered it home!!

To Bill - we must limit our imaginations / beliefs to what we can deduce from rules of science.
SO if their is a 'God mind', a mind at another level, perhaps our observable universe or infinite space itself - well you must show evidence for this.
You may not just state it as true if it is merely a belief, a feeling, a desire, ...

So some evidence please, of a universal / god mind, to which we are all connected (I see no evidence for it).

Geoff

[northjetty]

If SSW centers have always existed and SSW centers can be aware of one another in space, then an awareness in space has always existed. That awareness in ssw centers is not considering good and evil, right and wrong, punishment and rewards, until it has combined with itself to the point of becoming an animal with contemplative qualities. The parts within space are behaving with an awareness, but the whole eternity of space itself is holding the aware parts. So the eternal space is not thinking at all as we understand the term. Thought and awareness are limited to the SSW center forward, which then places awareness in space as being subject to the finite images that have formed within eternal space.

I see what you're saying Bill. You seem to be wondering if the SSW centers which are scattered throughout infinite space are producing the perpetual wave motions throughout infinite space by there 'observation' of one another in space, or there 'awareness' of one another in space. This is a good question Bill.

A wave center sends out waves to other wave centers in space, so an 'awareness is involved in the outwave process', but equally 'awareness is involved in the inwave process' as well because this exchange is occuring between energy centers that are operating with an 'awareness' of one another's existence-so perhaps we could see this 'awareness' as 'observation'?

Being that this sense of 'awareness' has always existed in infinite space, as SSW centers have always existed in infinite space, I think that it would be logical to conclude that 'awareness' plays a major roll in the 'wave motions' that are occurring in the continuous medium of space. Space would neither exist, nor be 'aware' of it's own parts if there were no SSW centers that hold an 'awareness' of one another in space.

These factors are all tied together at the waist from view of what is going on in the continuous wave medium of infinite space. This whole process has always been taking place, and that's the final mystery here. How there can be no beginning to a continuous wave medium is an absolute mystery. It can be no other way, there can be no 'first cause' that sets motion into motion. This is where human thought ceases altogether. It's when we approach the mystery of having no beginning to speak of. We just have to realize that the truth is that there can not be a definite starting point for Space/waves/awareness-perhaps 'observation' as well?

north jetty/the cosmos

[Bill Back]

Wow, you guys write good. Thanks! I agree space is the eternal source of all things, no beginning, no end… What I am trying to say in simple English language is that most people do not understand the language of physics and I am trying to present the same concepts in terms that more people understand. To most philosophers the source is god and to most metaphysicians the source is mind. We all are talking about the same thing using different languages.

As a metaphysician I say, Space creates matter, human mind does not create matter but in our own space we can direct space according to the laws of nature. In fact we are always doing it consciously or not. We think about going to the store before we go there. We think about building a house before we build one. We think of words before we write them. Our mind directs our action.

What thinks about keeping our hearts beating? Is there a god mind? Is it space? Yes, no, in terms of physics hard to prove either way. We know human mind because we experience it. I know god mind because I feel it. Do you?

Geoff, Rob, Steve, Mr. Northjetty your words seem to be coming from the god mind to me.

Can we say this in the language of children?

My favorite symbol for WSM is a bunch of arrows with three dots at their points radiating from and to a center. A spiky ball…

Keep up the good work!

[northjetty]

The wave motion of space is the source of all life and being, all heart beating, all mind thinking, all empirical researching. It is operating with a certain knowledge of itself. It's sort of like the old creation myths that deal with the infinite becoming the finite. As soon as the infinite becomes finite it is immediately taken with fear. Then it reasons to itself, "what is there to be afraid of, nothing exists that isn't me". This is a good way of looking at the formation of a SSW center in space.

A finite spherical object emerges within a shapeless eternity of space. Eternity then knows that it exists, and knows that other SSW centers exist as well. It has nothing to be afraid of at all, because there's nothing that exists that is not eternal space itself. This sort of explains what we have going on here.

Space seems to be becoming aware of itself upon taking on a finite spherical form. When space is out of SSW form, there's nothing to see as being self realizing, because there's no finite self to be differentiated within eternal space. So it would seem as if some one could say that mind can be traced as far down as the SSW center, but to go and dissolve that SSW center, would seem to dissolve the mind aspect of space. That would be where thought and awareness dissolves, the transcendence in other words. Space out of form is transcendent of thought, thus it is not thinking as we understand the term thought. Space in the form of matter is an aware region for sure, but there's a lot more space out there in the ' observable universe' then there is visible ssw matter.

north jetty/the cosmos

[Bill Back]

Of course Space does not think, It has no need to think it already knows everything from the location of all SSW centers to what you are having for dinner to the weather on Saturn and how big infinity is. It is self knowing perfect and complete. If it could think the only thing it could think about is itself, nothing (emptiness). Hmmm perhaps the contemplation of space by space makes itself vibrate forming us and this wonderful universe? Ya think??? Space goes into itself constantly, eternally 0/0=1.…

Space does not think but it contains all thought, energy, and matter. Maybe I should not use words like the One Common Mind, that only maybe one percent of the people on earth understand, or Omnipotent Spirit, that maybe half of the people understand. How many people really know what Space is??? It is likely that only Space knows what it is.

I have thought like this for over thirty years since I took my first physics class in high school with Mr. Petit, but I am open to other ideas. Looking forward to what you think about this.

PS HA HA HA April Fools or is it?

[Rob Peritz]

Bill,
You are quite right suggesting that “Space does not think” at least not the way we understand thinking. Space just is. By ‘is’ I mean to say that Space as the one thing existing with Properties of a Continuous, Infinite and Eternal Wave Medium, has always existed. There was never a before. Space has no boundaries. Space is not searching for anything. Space is not a mind in search of a body. Space has no emotions. Space does not have an all seeing eye. Space is oblivious to mathematics, physics and science...Space does not love or hate or feel sorrow. Space is not the “God” we pray to... When we die we do not stand or kneel before space and hope that we will be let into space... we too are space...

Space just is.

Space is the only substance that exists. Everything comes from this One Thing Existing with Properties of a Continuous, Infinite and Eternal Wave Medium. What we, as humans experience, witness and imagine to exist is only a small local region of the one thing existing with Properties of a Continuous, Infinite and Eternal Wave Medium. It is impossible to define space from our point of view. However we too are space and so we, can, understand that Space ‘is’ the one thing existing with Properties of a Continuous, Infinite and Eternal Wave Medium that space is vibrating and forming our universe. Our Universe is a billion times smaller than a pin head in the grand scheme of things. But we are no less space than a trillion universes. We are in fact beginning to realize what space is made of. But we will never know much at all except, Space just is... Thinking and emotions are not important to the existence of space. That’s just something that we do in this local region of space... I don’t think it is correct to say that (Space has no need to think) space doesn’t need anything... Space just is... Space is ... space.
Nothing wrong with that...
Hard to understand but ...
~rob

[northjetty]

I can say with certainty that space contemplates itself by becoming a contemplative finite image within itself. I'm contemplating space right now, thus space is contemplating space right now. Without a finite form of space to contemplate from, I wouldn't feel that non-ssw space is contemplating.

Now if this ssw sentient being contemplation is spread out through eternity here and there on different planets, always rising and falling somewhere, then perhaps the contemplation of space, by space, has something to do with the waves in space, but we can not say that this is truth. This is specualtion at best, not absolute truth.

I see your point though Bill, and it is a very interesting one indeed. If space exists in contemplative forms here and there amidst eternity, then perhaps this plays a major roll in the perpetual state of existence? We can't say that this is truth unless it is directly proven. Your idea is a good one for sure, but we would have to prove that there is definitely an infinite amount of life out there to even begin to apply this concept. We must be disciplined in terms of stating what is true according to the wsm cosmology, so I'm trying to hold to that discipline. The waves themselves have always existed in space, and the waves are keeping the motion of space perpetual.

north jetty/the cosmos

[Rob Peritz]

When a tree falls in the forest does anybody hear?
We are not aware of everything going on in our own bodies at all times or even most of the time... It is far too much knowledge for our conscious mind to fathom...
Even our unconscious minds are not aware of everything around us at all times. I suppose on some level electrons are aware of the electrons (in the local vicinity) but who or what was paying attention to anything and everything a trillion years before our galaxy existed? We are so full of ourselves. Space simply exists as a wave medium. If humans build a ladder to the moon or put a bridge across the milky way or travel through time, if humans evolve to become like gods, we will still only be considering and paying attention and messing around with a tiny portion of infinite space...

All of the minds that exist today, or have ever existed, (and I am including everything from humans to bedbugs, even viruses and trees), have only been aware of a tiny portion of existence and by tiny I mean almost non-existent. We contemplate the whole universe but to infinite space our universe and everything in it including every thought we will ever think, every possible thought we will never think, every possible future, every moment passed, all of it, every last bit of it, is like an ice cube on the surface of the sun. It will have meant nothing to infinite space, it will neither add nor subtract anything to infinite space, it will not be a pause, or a comma, or a passing thought. Our existence, individually and as a whole, is not necessary nor will it be noted and quoted by infinite space. The fact that we contemplate infinite space and have the potential to evolve for millions of years to come is inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

If one out of ten stars supports a planet with the potential for life to evolve that still leaves 99.9999999 (add infinitum)% of space that will never be thought of, or imagined, or even acknowledged, by some form of mind somewhere or some when in infinite space.

Surely it is pure speculation and personal opinion to suggest that infinite space is a form of mind that we as humans can understand... However, I can imagine life evolving for trillions of trillions of years. This is how I picture God, an evolved and evolving life form that has existed for so long that it has forgotten its humble beginnings and now is the most powerful object in our universe, Poor thing... it must admire our blissful innocense and silly ignorance, Yes I believe in God , Yes I believe that we never actually die we simply move on or change form or wave out... But I don’t think that space itself is anything more than what it is, a wave medium wherein all things possible exist...

Infinite Space is the opposite of nothing. Space is everything and everything is space. But that does not mean that space is conscious as we understand it. Yes I am space and Yes I am conscious, but I am not all of space and I like that fact...

I am only an ice cube.

No, I’m so much more than that, I’m an ice berg in the center of the sun, there I said it, I’m an ice berg. This is only the tip of me. Mostly ignorant and stupid under the surface...
Now I’m rambling again...
~rob
PS, I may contradict myself now and again, but in my defense, my understanding of reality is evolving.

[Bill Back]

Yes the only truth is "Space Is." , yet we like to play with words. What is God? Space? Perhaps God is mans invention, a personified space of the anthropromorphic situation. Do we know things we can't think?

I here every tree falling faintly in the background. "We are in the same boat Brother, When you rock one end you shake the other" Leadbelly.

The sizzle of an iceberg in the sun is heard across the universe. To understand UNITY we must be UNITY. Rob don't think too hard and belittle yourself you a good man with a lot of talent and compassion.

NJ, My spirit, body surfs on the southside, surfside dr. every day. I wrote the following for all my surf bros.

I remember getting tubed. Being in the wave. Riding the wall with the curl breaking over head. I was sucked into the vortex. Racing toward the light, the opening. I did not use a board, I was the board in the Wedge. It was bitchin, Dude.
Then sitting stoned on the beach Mind Surfing. It was free. We did not pay any fees for internet access. Computers were not invented yet. The only thing that crashed were the waves one after the other. We could crash at the Cliff house for two bucks a night or camp on the sand.
Now getting tubed is sitting in front of the TV, watching the Endless Summer or Big Wedinsday. But we still Mind Surf and it is just as fun. Now the waves are shaped like spheres. We are straight, and the waves are us in us and always around us. We feel the effect of the April full moon.
California Dreaming

[northjetty]

Nice Bill. It's about mid to incoming tide right now and I'm on my way out the door to go long board some knee to waist high clean surf at the inlet. I like to consider the environment as spherical standing waves while I'm out in the water. I'm going to go do some considering right now.

"General Relativity has been succinctly described: 'All the matter of the universe tells space what it is. Then space tells the matter of the universe how it must behave.' This remarkable reciprocity in the universe is the heart of the WSM."-Milo Wolff

Final Speculation on the Origin of "Consciousness".

"It is evident that the matter waves of the universe are the underlying source of the action we observe in our human energy world, even though the matter waves are unseen - like the puppeteer behind the curtain. This process is available for use by nature in designing our evolutionary development. Did it happen? If it did, then it is not unreasonable that our brain and other parts of our neural physiology are interconnected by an unseen communication network that coordinates and regulates behavior of certain parts of the body. Since energy exchange is not involved at this matter wave level, we would not have a sensory impression of logical thought, only an awareness of ourselves and our body. More research is needed to know, but in view of the intricacy of our neural structures, the work will not be easy.

The range of experiments needed to verify consciousness or extra-sensory perception is almost as large as human imagination. An example is the philosophy of my daughter Jennifer, who was the illustrator and artist for my book (Wolff, 1990) which first described the wave structure of matter. After reading the book, my daughter has acquired new beliefs on consciousness. As a scientist, I cannot propose beliefs not based on laboratory facts, but my daughter has no such inhibitions. She uses the matter wave theory to explain things that had formerly puzzled her. She explains, "Consciousness can be active. If I pray that a sickfriend's cancer will be cured, I visualize my thoughts traveling on matter waves that connect my mind to my sick friend's mind."

The matter wave theory has been happily integrated into her existing beliefsystem. She says "I just ignored the complex math, I don't understand it. Perhaps what we think of as God, is only the interconnections between us at this wave/particle level" and " I don't care if it is God or matter waves, all I need to know is that all human beings are connected to each other and that prayer and my human thoughts are powerful and using the consciousness of my mind communicates them for me."-Milo Wolff

I think that this speaks magnitudes to many of the questions that we have all been speculating about concerning the wsm cosmology's relationship to belief-and to consciousness in general.

north jetty/the cosmos

[Bill Back]

2 sides of the same thing:
Intelligent mind hears and sees words, symbols, sounds, matter.
Creative mind hears and sees itself, spirit, silence, space.


Is the motion of space, points of space expanding and contracting? Is this what the vibration is? Is space pushing into points of space as points are pushing out? Is space going into itself at points of itself and at these points is space going out into the whole of space to the extents where space compresses this sphere of itself back into the points and on and on it goes? Are spherical in and out waves, points of space expanding and contracting? Is this happening in all of space ,but matter only appears at the intersections of spherical waves?