"When forced to summarize the general theory of relativity in one sentence: Time and space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter. ... Physical objects are not in space, but these objects are spatially extended ... thus the concept of particles cannot play a fundamental part, ... and can only appear as a limited region in space in which the field strength or energy density are particularly high."
(Albert Einstein, Metaphysics of Relativity, 1950)
"It is my firm belief that the last seven decades of the twentieth century will be characterized in history as the dark ages of theoretical physics. ... The quantum world is a world of waves, not particles."
(Carver Mead, Professor Emeritus at Caltech. Received $500,000 Lemelson-MIT Prize in 1999)
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haselhurst Site Admin

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Posts: 728 Location: Planet Earth, Milky Way, Universe, Infinite Space. Status: Endangered Species. Cause: Ignorance
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:12 am Post subject: Improving this Forum?? |
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Hello all,
This is mainly to Rob, Aireal, Knotty, Northjetty, a few others who post here a bit (recently Nigel, there are others as well).
I wonder if you have any thoughts about how to improve this forum. My problem is lack of time. I have been working 10 hour days on website / internet for most of the past month.
While I have read all your posts, I have not replied to them as I just don't have the time / energy.
So then i feel stressed / guilty as a lot of your posts are very intelligent and worthy of substantial comments.
However, our spaceandmotion website has grown to 50,000 page views a day over past 3 months (up from 30,000) and it continues to climb in rankings for important search terms (we are top ten for 3 of top 6 philosophy search terms, top 20 for main physics search terms).
I have spent a week learning about social networking / bookmarking sites and have added code to our site to make it easy for people to add us to some very big and influential websites.
See our homepage.
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/
I have also spent a week re-designing page layout and have applied it to quantum physics pages (they still need re-writing, but it has new intro.)
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/Physics-Quantum-Theory-Mechanics.htm
(Any thoughts greatly appreciated!)
And you will notice from our homepage that Karene is building a substantial evolutionary philosophy of sex section that will (over next 6 months) have about 300 pages based on what people actually search on the internet. I expect these pages will get about 100,000 page views per day (assuming Google treats them seriously like rest of site).
I sense that our website is really starting to take off - I see lots of links being posted to it with generally very favourable comments. We now have 30 pages that are page rank 6 which is pretty strong.
Anyway, this is just a brief summary to tell you what I have been doing.
I have 3 options for this forum.
i) Leave as is to drift along slowly.
ii) Close for 6 to 12 months while I get on top of work at spaceandmotion.
iii) Add links to this forum from all spaceandmotion science pages and really try and crank up the number of users (at the moment I only have 1 link to forum from email page).
I have future promotion plans that involve this forum - but they are still a year away - I need to improve quality of spaceandmotion site first.
If you are interesting in option 3 then i would only do this if several of you were willing to become administrators of this forum so you can delete spam and ensure that posts get replies.
And you could also re-design layout here (remove most of the bottom forums perhaps - not sure!)
That's it - my abrupt post.
I will reply to some posts soon ( i am away for 4 days for Karene's birthday and then I have a full weeks work helping her with sexuality pages, and I have about 300 emails to reply to that have built up over past 4 months).
After that I will finally have some freedom - I hope!
To Aireal - you have written a fairly long philosophical post that requires a substantial reply from me. I am impressed by your work, sorry for not replying sooner - please be patient with me. Just wanted to compliment your efforts though!
All the best, and my sincere thanks for your contributions here.
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Rob Peritz
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Hi Geoff, Knotty, Aireal, Northjetty, Nigel, all,
This is a slow forum, true.
Improvements? I’ll need some time to think about this.
I’m a commercial fisherman and a carpenter, a father, a husband and a friend. That does not leave a lot of time for being a site administrator, even if I was qualified to be on the team, but thank you.
This forum needs an administrator though.
Let’s drift while we ponder.
What do you think guys
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Aireal
Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 211 Location: Mayfield, Kentucky. U.S.A.
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Geoff
I can see why you have been overworked. Your post also requires a good deal of thought.
I only know a little about web design, and most of that is outdated. So I am at a loss for suggestions on layout to the main website, networking / bookmarking sites sounds like a good idea though. I mentioned to Knotty an idea of a Web Ring of sites related to W.S.M. as a means of increasing traffic amoung other things. The main web site has an awfull lot of information on it. This is both a good and bad thing. All that information is needed, but it can be a lot to read and digest for many people. What to do about this, I don't have a clue at the moment.
On my own, I have been to a number of other forums, commenting on matters related to W.S.M. and posting links were approiate. While those efforts have had some luck, overall the results of that effort has not been very productive.
Now to address the options you listed.
i) Currently this seems a good idea for several reasons. Currently the site has a good level of traffic. The forum is not that busy, as forums go. New people are always finding this site, and I activly refer people to our main site a lot.
ii) Closeing the site may hurt the rise in traffic we have been getting. During a 6 to 12 month break, some of our links may be listed as broken and removed from other sites. Other who have recently found the site would come back and find it closed, and we may not get them back after resuming operations.
iii) Links to the forum would be a good thing, and would most likely greatly increase the number of users over time. But this would also increase the need to manage spam and reply to posts. I have never been an administrator of a forum, and do not know what it entails. But if the main duties were deleting spam and responding to posts, I would be glad to help to the best of my ability. I am usally here every day or two anyway, just to check in. The main constraint is time as always, at current levels of fourm activity, it should not consume much time.
On the subject of forum layout. The bottom forums can searve a usefull function. Many who come to the forum may never read the main website. The lower read only section would be a good referal spot for those people, and commonly asked questions could be answered there.
The top section may benifit from being restructured. As we have recently seen, some people's thinking is grounded in science, and detest metaphysics and philosophy. Others love philosphy, and are put off by science, and so on. Dividing these groups could minamize the friction between them on the forum. Off the top of my head I would suggest at least 4 sections in addition to the Introduce Youself section.
a.) Sicence of W.S.M.
b.) Metaphysics of W.S.M.
c.) Philosophy of W.S.M.
d.) Unity of W.S.M. for those open minded enough to talk on all aspects of W.S.M.
You also mentioned that Karene is building a philosophy of sex section. Excellent idea. Not just because it would draw more vistors, but the topic of philosophy of sex is not addressed much, and would therefore be a unique feature of the site. I also susspect it would draw the open minded intellectual types attention. Which kinda is our target audience.
Well thats all I can think of at the moment. Wish Karene a happy birthday for me.
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Steve Anthony

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Hi Geoff, et al,
Geoff, I'd love to help wherever possible. I am kind of in the same boat as Rob and Charles as regards experience of such things, and time, and of course we would have to get together and thrash out a few necessary details regarding integrity of the site, covering each other in times of absence, maybe some guidelines set by yourself?
A few of us have been on other forums, leaving links to the site, and as ever this brings a whole spectrum of response with it. We already know that WSM causes controversy, as it challenges peoples previous assumptions about truth. As a consequence, its knowledge and effects are far reaching. As traffic increases there will be times when things are not always 'nice', and we will need some guidance in how you would like this necessary aspect of the challenge to the 'mainstream' to be approached. For me, your sometimes 'necessarily abrupt' approach has been the thing that has kept the integrity of this forum intact.
Another option might be to add links gradually from the other pages, and take an 'organic' approach as it grows, adding admin/moderators as you go? You may find that you have response from other, more qualified professional admin-types, as the news catches on, and I would personally be happy to help where I can, and move aside for the cause of a greater benefit at a later date. The Truth belongs to everyone, as far as I am concerned!
Do you think closing the forum will have detrimental effects of the figures? Or, is there any other kind of associated work that any of us could help with, to make the closure time less? My grammar is usually pretty good, and I can proof read for you should you need it?
Option i) seems to be favourable, with maybe a gradual shift towards iii) as traffic increases. Could try a few extra links at a time, and see what the reaction is.
I do like the new pages, but maybe Aireal is correct about the amount of information for 'non-meta-heads'!?
Hyvää syntymäpäivää Karene!
All the best,
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Rob Peritz
Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 215 Location: Colorado/Alaska
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Hello again,
Well said you guys.
I agree with most of your thoughts.
Linking this forum to more of the main website's pages is a good idea, because it is true that
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This forum would certainly pick up more viewers as well as posters The curious as well as the genuinely interested can be shown the best place on the main site to get answers to thier questions. The forum would be a launching site for more details on the WSM as well as a place to talk about the WSM.
One more thing...
I like the way PhysOrg's forum is laid out. It's easy to navigate and it's a busy site. This forum should be layman friendly. Are we locked into this format? Do you even have the time to change it like that?
more later,
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nigel

Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 54 Location: The Red Centre
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Hi All
I really like this forum so option 2 closing it down for 6 months would be a shame for me.
I am interested in the intersection of mathematics, philosophy and physics. I have enjoyed discussing the ponicare conjecture with Aireal. As a direct result of this discussion and the conceptual framework of WSM, I was able to conceptually link the spherical wavefronts with the now proven existence of low dimensional manifolds homomorphic with the 3 sphere.
This was important to me and only came about through the dialogue with Arieal. I also have had similar conceptual evolutions through dialogue with Rob, Knotti and Gill, in areas diverse as the Dirac formalism and theology.
Yes I have to state this forum has been a major source of philosophical growth for me.
I take this opportunity to express my deepest thanks to all, for the courage to share your ideas in such an open and honest way.
The great thing about this forum is the openness of the intellects involved, the commitment to expanding a worldview in the face of the scepticism and bigotry to metaphysics and freethinking.
I realise and respect the intellectual commitment made by Geoff Haselhurst to this endeavour.
I would be certainly willing to act as a moderator and delete the spam (and worse), and reply to posts, I directed Yoshi to some good mathematical physics resources and have supplied some hard to find and I think useful links.
My teaching load is falling away now and I am embarking on a period of study in non-linear analysis so I will have some time to devote to this forum. Indeed harmonic analysis of wave potential operators is in the very center of the mathematical ontology of WSM.
I am always willing to share my knowledge of mathematical physics and love of realist philosophy and ontology.
May you always have insights and continue to share.
Thankyou Geoff for creating this intellectual home for us here.
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Rob Peritz
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High there Geoff and Karene,
I like the new look of your spaceandmotion website. I notice that you have rewritten at least some of the pages, your focus and presentation is getting better. Keep up the good work.
On improving this forum;
Can there be reference links back to the main site at the top, a similar look to the main site perhaps....
The forum topic sections can mirror the topic sections on the main site.
This change may help people to understand the WSM, and your vision, better.
~rob
section topics
1- Summary& Diagrams
2- Simple Science
3- Metaphysics & Reality
3- Einstein's Relativity
4- Quantum Physics
5- Cosmology & Universe
7- Philosophy & Truth
8- Evolution & Utopia
9- Theology & Morality
10- How to Help the WSM
11- Philosophy
12- -robs most requested posts
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Rob Peritz
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Hello all,
To those who travel in forum circles, invite like minded people from other forums to visit this site. To those who walk the campus and science hallways of the world, suggest this site to your friends and peers.
I do like the slow, intimate feel of this room but if Geoff's vision of the WSM theory takes off, and, "Truth rises to the top." then this place will be a tidal wave of thought, a launching site for new inventions and the beginning of a utopian society for humanity.
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haselhurst Site Admin

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Posts: 728 Location: Planet Earth, Milky Way, Universe, Infinite Space. Status: Endangered Species. Cause: Ignorance
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Hi All,
Karene and i just got back - but I had been stressing a bit about how you would all respond to my last post here.
I am overwhelmed by your thoughtful kindness and good will.
I will write more tomorrow - for now I just wanted to thank all of you.
You are a fantastic group of people - I do think we are the core of a group that one day will be very famous for changing the very foundations of humanity - What it means to be human? How we shall think and act from true foundations to live more wisely (the ultimate goal of philosophy).
I hope that you are all proud of yourselves. There are exciting times ahead I suspect, great challenges. We need to be smart, well organized, efficient with our limited time. It will be interesting.
With your help we can build a very nice forum I think. And I have another 'crazy idea / cunning plan' that i will explain to you tomorrow.
The suspense!
Take care all.
Thanks and cosmic best wishes.
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Gil
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Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:30 am Post subject: Moderator... |
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Nigel, you certainly have my vote to run the forum, if Geoff wants some time off. You are the most fair and impartial mind I have seen in a long time, especially on the web. I have all the confidence in you in the world.
Best of luck,
Lloyd
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Geoff, please appoint this great mind to the position. I like him, and I believe, so do most others, if not all. I'd like to see this board stay active. Thanks; Lloyd
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I really like this forum so option 2 closing it down for 6 months would be a shame for me.
I am interested in the intersection of mathematics, philosophy and physics. I have enjoyed discussing the ponicare conjecture with Aireal. As a direct result of this discussion and the conceptual framework of WSM, I was able to conceptually link the spherical wavefronts with the now proven existence of low dimensional manifolds homomorphic with the 3 sphere.
This was important to me and only came about through the dialogue with Arieal. I also have had similar conceptual evolutions through dialogue with Rob, Knotti and Gill, in areas diverse as the Dirac formalism and theology.
Yes I have to state this forum has been a major source of philosophical growth for me.
I take this opportunity to express my deepest thanks to all, for the courage to share your ideas in such an open and honest way.
The great thing about this forum is the openness of the intellects involved, the commitment to expanding a worldview in the face of the scepticism and bigotry to metaphysics and freethinking.
I realise and respect the intellectual commitment made by Geoff Haselhurst to this endeavour.
I would be certainly willing to act as a moderator and delete the spam (and worse), and reply to posts, I directed Yoshi to some good mathematical physics resources and have supplied some hard to find and I think useful links.
My teaching load is falling away now and I am embarking on a period of study in non-linear analysis so I will have some time to devote to this forum. Indeed harmonic analysis of wave potential operators is in the very center of the mathematical ontology of WSM.
I am always willing to share my knowledge of mathematical physics and love of realist philosophy and ontology.
May you always have insights and continue to share.
Thankyou Geoff for creating this intellectual home for us here.
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haselhurst Site Admin

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Posts: 728 Location: Planet Earth, Milky Way, Universe, Infinite Space. Status: Endangered Species. Cause: Ignorance
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Hi all,
I have added you guys as administrators while I was cleaning up spam members this morning.
So you can now explore the administration side of this forum (where you can change layout, remove members, create groups and posting permissions, backup database, etc.)
The administrator link is near the bottom of the main index page.
Feel free to experiment - just try not to delete the forum!! Over the next few months we can see how we go.
Given your comments above I will let the forum drift for a while, and also add some more links to forum as I rewrite main subject pages (over next 6 months).
If you want to change things please discuss as a group first so that we can jointly decide.
I think we want to get good foundations here (good administration to ensure forum is quality / spam free / polite and kind) and to also improve spaceandmotion website before we go too crazy on expanding / promoting this forum.
But I am looking forward to more promotion in the future (see my other post on future promotion).
I am pleased that you guys are here - hope that we can help one another do some good work together over time.
Cosmos,
Geoff
PS - Gil, you are not included in the above - I did not think you would be interested, and you are a bit hostile at times which is always problematic when running a forum.
Nigel, I have added you as an admin given your knowledge of physics and your substantial contributions recently. But I want to get to know you better - so please go slow, discuss things with us before making any changes to forum. Thanks. |
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nigel

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Hi Geoff
I have posted a few replies, maybe that will help for you to understand where I am coming from. It is late and I was going home until I checked this thread.
I have no desire to change anything, I don’t know if you have noticed but apart from my initial post I haven’t started any threads, I have found it valuable intellectually to respond to Arieal’s posts mainly to try and give some sort of mathematical framework to his ideas and to show him the intersections with established theories like relativity.
In terms of rants, which is something most philosophers will succumb to at some time (I have heard it referred to as passion of the mind), you may have noticed I restrict myself to the need for an ontology. This arises form my frustration with modern physics and the ever-increasing epistemology. WSM as a simple theory has much to offer.
What I like about WSM is it is not so much a theory as a Metaphysical framework, which I believe, will have a very rich mathematical structure.
More than this it provides an alternative set of boundary conditions in which to interpret the solutions to the great partial differential equations like Schrödinger’s, Dirac's and Einstein’s.
It is in the ontological status of these solutions I feel WSM will have the most to offer.
Recently there has been a major breakthrough in mathematics (Poincare conjecture) this came about through a solution to a nonlinear PDE that had the mathematical form of the heat equation, Perhaps you can recall it was Fourier’s solution to the Heat Equation that gave us Fourier series, these series provide the most complete description to most of the models found in physics and they are basically a basis composed of wave functions.
Now we have a Heat equation model for the structure and geometry (two distinct mathematical objects) of space, this may well have a similar wave function basis, that is mathematics is on the threshold of providing a description of your quest for a Dynamic Unity of Reality.
Anyway what I am trying to say is I am more interested in responding to other people’s ideas than anything else, and what I will be doing in those responses is looking for a connection between WSM and mathematics.
I accept this forum is setup to discuss the Dynamic Unity of Reality, so it is not appropriate to post ideas that contradict either science or WSM unless there is some constructive point to be made, there are plenty of alternative sites out there for that sort of thing. It is only sensible to have a constructive discussion, however I think you can learn much from looking at difference, what do you think?
It is truly a noble quest this search for the Dynamic Unity of Reality. Unity is the key, my approach is to find the intersections/overlaps, remove the ambiguity, remove the disjoint intervals and join the sets/concepts.
Please feel to ask me any questions, or be critical of any of my comments.
I will look at the Admin pages, I will remove spam and objectionable posts which may be an attack on the site. Also please feel free to ask for any help I may be able to provide.
May the Scientific Revolution continue.
Kindest Regards Nigel
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northjetty
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I hadn't checked in on this thread until now, so I didn't realize that it concerned me in this fashion. I'm glad that the decision to keep the site operating was made, everyone would be at a loss without it. I'd be more than happy to be invovled with the goings on around here. I have been really focused on the "what the bleep do we know" documentary lately. It has been playing on encore-drama channel recently. I don't know just how far fetched it would be, but I feel that a documentary film that applies the findings of the wsm theory to every day life would be an awesome way of getting peoples attention. This theory can go deeper than "what the bleep do we know." It can be reconciled to psychology and religion in the very same fashion as well. I was talking to thomas about this earlier and he was having a simular thought.
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haselhurst Site Admin

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Posts: 728 Location: Planet Earth, Milky Way, Universe, Infinite Space. Status: Endangered Species. Cause: Ignorance
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Hi Guys,
Feel free to delete what you feel necessary of above.
I want you to all read the ideas below - then I will delete this post and perhaps we can share email addresses and continue discussion by group email privately.
You can email me at: haselhurst at yahoo.com
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In reply to Steve's letter;
Hi Steve,
I prefer you use your real name for forum. But it is up to you.
I completely agree with your comments - and commend you on your awareness of the truth about the world we live in, the difficulties we face. I was already pre-warned because the history of philosophy is full of the same, the blind obedience to customary thinking, poor ability to see obvious truths (and tendency to aggressively fight them).
Currently spaceandmotion website ranks between 10 and 20 for some very important physics search terms. e.g.
quantum physics 18
quantum theory 20
theory of relativity 15
the big bang theory 14
big bang theory 16
cosmology 50
philosophy 120
With a little bit of help we can get these in the top ten I suspect.
This is what I think we should be doing to achieve this over 3 months;
1. We need a page;
"What does the Wave Structure of Matter Explain"
so that you can refer to that for arguments when at other forums.
Let's jointly write this up over next 3 months. I will be writing up simple summaries at the top of all my physics philosophy pages - so they will be useful to link to in above article, and at the same time use these arguments to reply to people at forums quickly / easily and build links to these pages in the process.
2. We need to spend more time improving our own work / forum, and building links to it - this is one important use of our time at the moment I think (see building links below, and we can discuss how to improve this forum and jointly build a website from its content over time - though we should get the system in place reasonably soon).
3. Related to above - we need to strategically use other big websites to both gain visibility, and build strong links back to our sites.
I suggest we start with around 20 sites to target, as listed below;
a) Social network / bookmarking sites (see near top of our index page).
(I will also try and those links to this forum).
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/
It would really help if you joined these sites, and then went around spaceandmotion site and clicked on links - because they use javascript to auto fill in page URL and Title, it is a fast easy way to build 1000 links / hour (hugely more benefit than arguing with one person at a forum!)
b) Wikipedia - please join and then post a comment of support for re-inclusion of WSM articles - at my haselhurst talk page (keep it polite, kind, short, to the point, truthful). Any queries just ask me at forum (preferably by this private mail).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Haselhurst
d) My Space, YouTube, Google Video, MSN Soapbox.
We need to create a handful of videos that explain the central ideas of WSM in a nice sincere simple sensible manner (diagrams would be necessary too). Then upload them to main video websites
See;
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=physics1philosophy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekp1OKi6e4o
Notice Milo's video has been seen 1,500 times in 3 weeks which is pretty good - then use top right search box and search philosophy, then physics, you will see milo's video come up #1 for both in youtubes search - tell me why?! Then you start to understand how to exploit these big websites!!
(I have done this with the philosophy shop and now make a living from it - and am working on amazon at moment! But it applies to all websites where you can build pages and links on them.)
Please also watch video of Bertrand Russell - he is exactly correct - and we must learn to write / argue precisely, carefully, with great simplicity and clarity. Truth gives you that power, but it is a skill that is developed over many years of reading thinking and writing. We all must work on improving in this area.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUaSO9WDcng&feature=PlayList&p=4D3C0D976BA1F553&index=0
(I am not happy with some posts here drifting off topic - not providing concise arguments - we need to improve)
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=116580438
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1250149669
http://soapbox.msn.com/video.aspx?vid=64d55e39-b202-48db-b202-31c0d87f82da
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7823900830226715648&q=milo+wolff
c) Wikiquote - The spaceandmotion website has lots of good quotes, so it is easy to justify including content on their site.
http://www.wikiquote.org/
d) The big blog sites.
http://www.blogger.com/home (will add more later)
You can start your own blog (we can also provide a forum blog that updates what we are doing each week), but probably one of the best things to do is search blogs for relevant subjects, then add comment and link to WSM article / website.
e) Amazon.
Create an account - then you can build "So you like to know about" and "Listmania" pages. See my early efforts at;
http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/AF59DVFPXJUWD/ref=cm_pdp_profile_changeview/002-3849228-6311202?viewAs=Public&Go.x=7&Go.y=17&Go=Go
http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/syltguides/fullview/11HZWWHS4MHP8/ref=cm_sylt_pdp_title_full_1
And build links to Milo's book;
http://www.amazon.com/Exploring-Physics-Universe-Adventurers-Guide/dp/0962778710/ref=cm_pdp_review_teaser_product/002-3849228-6311202
f) DMOZ - Submit WSM pages into main physics philosophy metaphysics evolution, etc. categories. (Should wait till spaceandmotion pages are better written up, and also our own forum / site as it hopefully develops with a group of us working together).
http://dmoz.org/
There are more websites - I will refer to our help page and add the most important later.
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/how-to-help-the-wave-structure-of-matter.htm#blogs
But this is more than enough to start with - and it is fast and easy once you learn how (the internet is a big place - we must be efficient at creating concise good quality content, then mass producing it at big websites out there as a group - a bit hard to begin, but much easier once you get setup / learn how sites work).
The idea would be to just focus on say ten most important pages from spaceandmotion website, this forum, specifically targeting above keywords)
These are my thoughts. I wonder what you think?
I will be mainly away from forum for next two weeks - need to get back to work on my quantum theory pages, and help Karene with some sexuality stuff.
But we have direction, knowledge, a small group. A bit of effort and we can have substantial effect over several months (given the power of the internet).
Cheers,
Geoff
PS - I wanted to send this back to everyone in our little group. But it does not seem to allow it.
I think I will post it and then we can discuss and delete later - keep our plans a bit private. (Though we are doing good things for humanity in fighting for an open honest discussion of truth and reality - as you said, it is naive to think there are not many more enemies than friends to our work).
PPS - I think we should aim to make concise summaries of all important topics discussed at this forum thus far, they should then appear at start of each post (discussions follow) and then convert short summaries also into website pages in proper html format. Need to think of easiest way to do this - but on internet short clear summaries are essential. Will get back to you on this.
PPPS - I have copied this post and made it into its own page / post. See;
WSM Promotion: Social Networking / Link building
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Rob Peritz
Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 215 Location: Colorado/Alaska
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:29 am Post subject: |
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Hi Geoff,
That's a lot of home work.
I'll see what I can do.
PS. I copied and saved this whole thread so it can all be deleted.
Goodnight
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haselhurst Site Admin

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Posts: 728 Location: Planet Earth, Milky Way, Universe, Infinite Space. Status: Endangered Species. Cause: Ignorance
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:40 am Post subject: |
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Sorry Rob,
It does seem a bit complicated - lots of links!.
But once you get your browser setup with links to these sites - and have signed up to them - then it actually gets pretty easy, I can zip around sites and add stuff quite quickly.
If as a group we prepare good quality work - then it is important to promote it.
And over time it will hugely improve our Google ranking.
Geoff |
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Aireal
Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 211 Location: Mayfield, Kentucky. U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: |
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I need to find an open source 3-D modeling program. Preferably one that can analyze data from the model. I have found a couple scientific ones, but they were for UNIX or Linux and not windows. But any open source 3-D / 2D program for windows would be better than nothing. If the output can be put on the Internet, that would be even better. This will help the site I believe, graphics attract attention, and a picture is worth a thousand words of explanations.
I have downloaded several already that have not worked out. If anyone knows of one, or runs across a good candidate, please let me know.
Wikipedia
I have been looking at the site and noticed that they tend to favor pages with links to other pages on their site.
So we should have links to its pages whenever possible. Links to our site should be unique to our site, but frequent.
If we serve their self interest, they may be more inclined to reinstate.
Everything else are great ways to promote W.S.M. in a cost effective manner. My computer is not up to the video strategies however. |
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Steve Anthony

Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 346 Location: Helsinki
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:45 am Post subject: |
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Hi all,
How's that?
- Geoff, I left your post for others, and for yourself to delete when/if you feel it is necessary (with this one, of course!).
I'll get around to name reverting one evening this week...
~Steve~ |
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Rob Peritz
Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 215 Location: Colorado/Alaska
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Hi all,
Another suggestion, (more home work )
One problem with this forums layout is the wording of this introduction to post here,
| Quote: | Say Hello / Introduce Yourself / Ask Questions / Discuss Ideas (Please register then post here first)
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It seems that everyone, myself included, posts here, in Say Hello / Introduce Yourself, and then stays here. This has become the only room and it is open to any question regarding the WSM. This format is confusing SO... Two things must be done... before this forum takes off and is out of control.
1) Rewrite the wording of this introduction to post here.
2) Organize all of the posts/threads here and place them into section topics that mirror the spaceandmotion site:
1- Summary& Diagrams
2- Simple Science
3- Metaphysics & Reality
3- Einstein's Relativity
4- Quantum Physics
5- Cosmology & Universe
7- Philosophy & Truth
8- Evolution & Utopia
9- Theology & Morality
10- How to Help the WSM
11- Philosophy
There can be more section topics and sub-section topics within each main topic.
Perhaps I can do this project. It would be interesting and I think a helpful step in helping people negotiate around the forum.
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Aireal
Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 211 Location: Mayfield, Kentucky. U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Rob
An excellent suggestion. It would bring the forum in harmony with the main site. It would help organize he forum making it easy to navigate. Separate those with divergent world views, helping to reduce conflict.
As a forum it could have a few more headings. We have posts on inventions, advances in medicine, related to space travel, experiments. These do not really fit into any of the above headings well.
12- W.S.M. News Items
For links to news articles that are related to us in some manner. We have a few of these.
13- Practical Applications of W.S.M.
Real life ways to apply W.S.M. into our way of everyday life. From gardening, land management or generating your own power.
14- Other aspects of W.S.M.
The final catch all for misc. posts like experiments, inventions, links to related research like S.E.D. |
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Rob Peritz
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Aireal,
I agree. Does anyone have suggestions for more topics?
15- ?
16- ?
17- ?
18- ?
19- ?
20- ?
If it is alright with everyone I will begin organizing the forums topics.
I will need to hear from all administrators before I start.
I will give myself a three month deadline. (Feb 07) We should be getting quite busy around here if we all follow Geoff’s suggestions from previous post.
~rob |
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Aireal
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| One devoted to 15-Mathematics of W.S.M. |
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Steve Anthony

Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 346 Location: Helsinki
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Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hi all,
[16] Psychology (The Human mind, is after all what we are all using to try and understand this reality with, and may open up possibilities of solving some of the remaining 'problems' with WSM, especially if we can entice some of the more experienced psychologists/psycho-analysts to comment, eventually!).
[17] Art - Books/music/poetry (Metaphorical reference to the Infinite aspect of WSM, as intuited cognition) - (And as an aid to getting people personally involved/contributing).
[18] Space for skeptics and 'problems' of WSM. (We could nick-name it 'The Padded Sell'! [intentional mis-spelling] )
Currently these 'areas' do exist, but people have to become 'moderators' to post there. I think they are a good idea, but might need a shake up to become part of the 'new look'. True, the first two especially could just as easily come under the heading 'Metaphysics', but the 'Art' in particular, could open up the forum to people from a more diverse perspective (if we want that?), whom I know from experience, usually have a good keen grasp of the 'Infinite'.
One idea I had was a three-part 'overview' of 'Physics - Philosophy - Metaphysics' with sub-sections to each. That way, maybe two of us at a time could be 'assigned' to a section, which would require a basic 'team' of 6.
However, this is not so different to your idea, so Rob, if you have a vision...I say, go for it!
~Steve~ |
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