How does the WSM explain Life, Freewill, spirit/soul

[Rob Peritz]

Life, Freewill, Consciousness, Perception, Thoughts and Spirit/Soul
What are these [non-matter (things)] and how does the WSM explain their existence?

How can waves in space create/form these [non-matter (things)].

I understand that space is the wave medium that forms and connects all matter, but how can waves in space create - (Life, Freewill, Consciousness, Perception, Thoughts and Spirit/Soul)

Inanimate objects (wave centers or stars, rocks, electrons) are not, and do not have, Life, Freewill, Consciousness, Perception, Thoughts and Spirit/Soul.

So how does the one thing existing, Space, with Properties of a Continuous, Infinite, Eternal Wave Medium make animate that which is not animate?

This is the main question that people of faith will ask, it always has been, so what is the answer?

How does the WSM explain Life, Freewill, Consciousness, Perception, Thoughts and Spirit/Soul.
~rob


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Any and all posts or sections of posts pertaining to this topic will be moved to the top post of this thread. You will be “noted and quoted” if your description can be applied to “the most simple language for describing Reality, founded on One thing existing, Space, with Properties of a Continuous Infinite Eternal Wave Medium.” - Haselhurst

[nisarga]

Hi Rob,

I posted the same question worded another way on the 'mind of Space' thread.

I asked, 'Do wave is Space make choice?'

Namaste'
James

[haselhurst]

Nice to see you back here Rob.

I commented on this in the mind of space post too.

http://www.physics-philosophy-metaphysics.com/forum/the-mind-of-space-vt608-25.html


Rob, you posted definitions of spirit and soul in another post.
But they were not definitions based on real things that exist (WSM in Space), but just used other words.
So then I must ask what these other words mean in the definitions.
At some stage your definition must relate to real things that exist, otherwise it is just a tautology, you define words with other words and end up going around in a big circle.

I have defined these words based on WSM.

Spirit / Soul is our hidden connection to God.
God is the one thing that exists, infinite and eternal, that causes and connects the many things we experience.
Thus God is Space and its wave motions.
Thus Spirit / Soul is our spherical in and out waves.

Any thoughts?

You are correct though. WSM does not explain human emotions, representations of senses like taste, color etc.

Al I can say is that space (and its wave motions) must have properties that allow this to occur.
I have no further knowledge so speculation is a waste of time for me (at this stage of my knowledge at least).

Finally, you lament that WSM suggests that life is meaningless.
I find that strange.

If we assume there is a divine power / God that can control things, well then life is meaningless to us, we are mere puppets.

WSM gives us creative freedom (makes us 'gods' in effect), limited by space and its properties as a wave medium (we must abide by the laws of nature if you like).

You have the choice to do nothing, or do something.
You have the choice to do nothing and watch our world die.
You have the choice to learn about reality of what we really are and through this philosophical foundation of wisdom to 'know thyself' you can enlighten yourself and others to think and act more wisely as a way of saving humanity.

For me WSM gives me freedom and meaning in life.
But it does not make me happy all the time, in fact it is very depressing at times to know all this and feel so powerless to save our planet (though I will continue trying!)

Cosmic cheers,
Geoff

[Rob Peritz]

Hi Geoff,
Thanks for your response. I never left the forum I read every topic as it comes up and every post. I even print out some that require more thought. I guess I’m addicted to this forum.

Anyway, I’ve decided to concentrate on other parts of my life so I will be posting less often.. As I’m also trying to write a future fiction novel that has the WSM and the DUR as the standard model of physics at its core. I just started the outline so don’t start looking for it at book stores for awhile.

As to your direct question...

[haselhurst]

Hi Rob,

Brilliant set of posts, and they just fit perfectly with the work i am about to undertake on website.
I have been collecting my notes, adding more, for major re-write of site (that I have now been thinking about and promising for 2 years).
It scares me a bit, as my simple linear mind keeps getting overwhelmed by the interconnected complexity of reality and all the knowledge humans have created that must be explained in a simple sensible way.

Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. (Leonardo da Vinci)

What a great quote. To explain things clearly and simply takes a lot of time and thought - your posts will help in this process.
So a big thank you Rob.

You get the "Bloody Fantastic" award (very prestigious in Australia)!

Geoff

[nisarga]

Hi Folks,

I feel that WSM can explain sensation, emotion, mind and what is called 'intelligence'.

What follows is a work in progress... I welcome any comments and/or corrections.

The key is the definition of a standing wave (and intelligence) as follows:

Standing Wave: Standing waves are produced whenever two waves of identical frequency interfere with one another while traveling in opposite directions along the same medium.

From WSM 'One thing existing, Space, with Properties of a Continuous Infinite Eternal Wave Medium' - 'waves in SPACE'.

Emotions come out of sensations; sensations manifest through the sense doors and brain of the human organism as follows:

- the sense doors are receivers attuned to the specific frequencies of the particular sense door (like radio, TV's, and cell phones attuned to specific frequencies/channels); a sense door receives waves from the environment around it - the frequencies of the recevier and what it is receiving are IDENTICAL;

- the waves the sense door receives vibrates nerves that are connected to the brain;

- in the brain the stimulation manifests as vibrating nerve endings that in turn generate waves in the cranial fluid;

- the waves in the cranial fluid are like ripples/raindrops in a pond - there are huge numbers of these that correspond to the nerve endings;

- the harmonious interaction of the waves caused by the nerve endings vibrations form holograms - this is how sensation is experienced; the experience as what arises is something greater than the sum of the parts (here the parts are the the interacting waves in the cranial fluid);

- this experience as sensation reveals how what is called 'mind' arises out of the activity of the brain;

The mind experiences; the brain records;

A sustained sensation is a standing wave.

The recording of the experience is a memory (a hologram) that is stored in the brain~body (there is no boundarey where the brain ends and the body begins - obviously brain~body is an inter~related whole).

The key to understanding intelligence is what we called 'choice' as selecting what we call 'good' and 'auspicious' over what is called 'bad' or 'harmful'.

As described above - standing waves can only be with waves of identical frequency... this means that it is the nature of standing waves to be selective - they do not actually choose yet they do choose as their nature is such that they can only inter~course with others of their kind.

This form of choosing has been happening for some billions of years; the consequence of particular standing wave inter~course has guided the current of evolution (thus it is not so much a matter of choice, it is simply what has happened due to the nature of standing waves)...

Simplicity grows into Complexity; today it is self-evident that humans have the ability to 'think' and 'feel'.

Emotions are more complex responses that arises out of the interaction of thought and memories of past sensations;

for example:

fear is either a thought that is the reliving of a memory or fear is the thought response to a sensation that rekindles the memory - in both cases the memory is of something 'bad' or 'harmful' - this ALWAYS manifests on the plane of the body as contraction - less SPACE.

faith (or love) is either a thought that is the reliving of a memory or faith is the thought response to a sensation that rekindles the memory - in both cases the memory is of something 'good' or 'beneficial' - this ALWAYS manifests on the plane of the body as expansion - more SPACE.

the emotion of fear and faith/love are more complex than sensations because they include the memory of past experience, the outcome of that experience as 'good' or 'bad' and current thought - thus we now 'choose' to resonate with 'good' experiences and avoid 'bad' experiences.

The recording of these experiences effects evolution and appears as 'choice' because less SPACE negates the opportunities for inter~course (we avoid bad experiences) and more SPACE allows it to happen more often (we embrace good experiences).

- the result is that the waves in more SPACE inter~course more often and therefore govern evolution (this took billions of years to be as observed today; currently the views of what is 'good' and 'bad' are much more precisely defined than what they were a few billions years ago - so today we speak of 'common' sense [OK it is misnamed] and evolution is accelerated).

Lastly the evolution of the word 'intelligence' is governed by the same process.

intelligence: from inter- "between" + legere "choose"
- it means 'faculty of understanding' or ' the operation of gathering information about an enemy'

we gather information so we can choose the right action; we demonstrate understanding when we choose the thing/action that is 'good'.

Thus we are 'intelligent' when we choose to inter~course with waves that produce 'beneficial' results... this drives evolution and today we call it 'choice' - in this light 'choice' is also the result of evolution.

~James~

[nisarga]

Hi again Folks,

The other side of the coin.

I see the growth and development called evolution as akin to inspiration in the respiratory process.

And the compliment to inspiration is expiration...

In this light 'what is the compliment of 'choosing' and evolution?'

Not-Choosing and destruction (or the words you prefer for this).

What I see is Creation and Destruction - inspiration and expiration that manifests as wave phases where for a time one phase is dominant and then the other.

And just as Breathing is more complex than simply the process of respiration (it is also the inter~course of respiration~circulation and more as its complexity unfolds) - Creation~Destruction is a wave that grows/has grown into the tremendous complexity that is seen as the uni-verse.

And just as Creation and evolution is dominnt for a 'time' there will be a 'time' when Destruction rules as I see them as a Dynamic Balancing act that is innate in the nature of waves.

I do not see this as 'good' or 'bad' - it is simply the spirit~nature of things.

As stated in my earlier post - this is a work in progress.

~James~

[nisarga]

ps

Once you choose you have no choice. Thus all other choices are destroyed when you choose.

In this way there is destruction and creation simultaneously.

James

[Steve Anthony]

Nice James!

It is this realisation that there is no inherent 'good' or 'bad' at work in the greater Universe that, I think, throws people off a bit. In reality there are just things that happen, waves interacting with waves. Yet we also have to exist within our present realm of Humanness, and Earthness, despite whatever we may glean from understanding a greater Universal Awareness.

Coming to terms with these twin aspects of how we exist (at once, both 'finite AND infinite') can often seem impossible to reconcile, and definitely so when the Reality of physical existence is not at our disposal. But now it is, for the first time, and how we deal with this most profound knowledge will determine whether we allow ourselves to carry on existing or not.

"Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens" - David Byrne.


~s§s~

[Rob Peritz]

Hi James,
What you have written in your post is quite profound and original thinking, as in arising from and going to the root of the source. You have quite possibly put two and two together and come up with the essence of the Dynamic Unity of Reality. I had to read your post, a few times, over the past twenty four hours to understand the meaning and depth of how you have applied the theory of the wave Structure of Matter to the possible development, or evolution, of mind, emotion, sensations and intelligence.

Can this idea of yours also be the connection between life and non-life? Perhaps this is the hidden connection that Geoff is referring to when he writes, (replicating, repeating wave patterns) that these unique waves, in and of, space, that are of an identical frequency interfere with one another to form standing wave centers that become more and more complicated after their initial formation in and of space, the one thing existing. That once formed these waves take on the possibility of life that is a potential of space but not space itself and become living space.

Space then, is the possibility of life, not life itself. It is only when waves in and of space first form a standing wave that life becomes possible and only after evolution/time (read billions upon billions of years) that the vibration of these waves can then begin to replicate and repeat thus becoming what we understand as the most simple life forms that continue to evolve and eventually become the extremely complicated and interconnected lifeforms that we currently experience on this world, Earth.

You are suggesting that we are merely receptors of waves in space. That we have developed/evolved as increasingly more intricate receivers of the waves in and of space. That what we perceive to be life, or what we understand and define as life, is in reality no more than an evolved accumulation of antenna?

I find this to be quite profound and original thinking. A possible solution to the hidden connection between life and non-life. A possibility of how space becomes alive. A possible connection between infinite space and our finite perception(reception) of being alive.

You’ve cracked it wide open James. Now refine it, define it and simplify it.

Nice work...
~rob

[Steve Anthony]

[haselhurst]

Hi All,
Nice posts.

Just a quick reply.

Hidden Connection.

Drop a rock, or consider the earth orbiting sun.
Things are clearly connected - yet we do not see the cause of these connections (we must imagine them).
WSM explains this with the spherical in and out waves which connect the wave center particles to one another across universe.

So these spherical in and out waves (which we do not see) are the hidden connections between the matter particles that we do see.

Hope this helps.
Geoff

PS - The metaphysics page on spaceandmotion site is well worth reading.

[nisarga]

Hi Rob,

Thanks for your patience and your comments. I feel that you understood what I presented.

The only thing I would add at this point is that the expression of Space as waves is its 'positive' expression and that Space itself may be considered 'negative' in relation to this 'positive' (without its expressions these terms do not apply).

In this light the expressions of Space are its meaning. And 'meaning' here has many connotations as: 'the middle way' , 'mean', 'medium' , and 'purpose'
(mean also as in Golden Mean and Golden Rule which is the word form of Golden Mean; medium as midway and also the wave 'carrier' - as the Space IS the wave medium).

Lastly, Space is curved according to scientists. I feel that what is called Time is also curved as the underlying truth of Time is Motion and motion is a wave (I feel that this also explains why time appears as cyclical).

To me this means that a wave in Space will eventually interact with itself. And standing waves can form when a wave is reflected back to harmoniously intefere with itself. In turn what this means is that although we speak of 'in' and 'out 'waves - I feel it is possible for these to be the Same wave yet different as it will have evolved through its own motion.

~|~
..
(_)

Wondering
James

[northjetty]

We are Part of the Universe

"Although we can envision each particle 'separately' as a 'pair' of IN and OUT waves, that 'pair' cannot exist without the 'presence of all the other particles in the universe'. It has no meaning 'alone'. Every particle in the universe 'depends on all other particles' to create its IN wave. Thus in a very real sense, we humans are part of the universe and the universe is part of us. We are totally 'inter-dependent'.

Take a breath now! ..... This forced conclusion is awesome. We have to think of ourselves, our 'bodies', our 'brain' and its 'mind', as inextricably joined with other matter of the universe. Every atom and molecule within us depends on the rest of the universe. If the rest of the universe did not exist we could not exist.

At this point we have to take a hard look and ask ourselves, "Is this crazy? Is this just philosophical speculation? Just a science fantasy? Or is there a way to prove that the universe really behaves this way?" The answer is: "Yes, the evidence is clear." In fact, it is much clearer than the old physics. The evidence is seen in the origin of the natural laws that have never been understood before."-Milo Wolff

We've all been through these 'spiritual issues' several times over now, at least those of us speaking on this thread. I 'know' that you guys 'know' that there is only 'one thing existing' and you know that I know that there is but 'one thing existing'. We know that the 'one thing' has the properties of a 'continuous wave medium'. Here's some traditional religious terminology applied to the continuous wave medium.

"I have defined these words based on WSM".

"Spirit / Soul is our hidden connection to God".

"God is the 'one thing' that exists, infinite and eternal, that 'causes and connects the many things' we experience.

Thus God is 'Space' and its 'wave motions'.

Thus 'Spirit / Soul' is our (invisible) spherical in and out 'waves'.-Haselhurst


People are simply trying to 'investigate' what is 'possible' with this 'one continuous wave medium' that we are all made out of. For religious purposes I prefer to call space in motion, 'spirit', or the 'eternal spirit' as is consistent with the above definition by Geoff. If I ever use the words 'spirit', 'soul', 'God', 'existence' it's certainly 'eternal space in motion' that is being referred to with these words-the continuous wave medium.

Now this is different than the idea that a 'spirit' existing as 'separate from matter' as many world belief's have evolved into thinking over the years-this is like thinking in terms of point particles, or discrete separateness. Matter is of 'spirit', just as matter is of 'space'. The continuous wave medium 'vibrates with self energy' causing all of the finite forms that are 'made of the medium' such as ourselves. Space, as a self 'vibrating wave medium', has always existed so it must have a place in our evolving ideas of 'spirit/soul/God'. The medium is 'invisible' of course, just like the old concepts of the animating 'spirit/soul/God' of 'all things'. Space has a presence 'everywhere', 'all the time', as the traditional 'spirit/soul/God' ideas suggest as well.

I would suspect at this point that the 'old ideas' that came into the minds of our ancestors about there being a 'spirit/soul/God' to everything, or an eternity to everything, is the direct result of our being 'physically' composed of an 'eternal reaching wave medium' that is 'vibrating' with 'wave motion', and our deep thought processes have realized this in the past-certainly not in full, but in steps. It's taken time and evolution to 'break existence down' to the understanding of a 'continuous wave medium', but we have accomplished it now with solid physics/philosophy/metaphysics.

So the 'old terms' could easily been seen to have 'paved the way' towards an all-encompassing new understanding about true reality. The truth here is that the old terms can't actually exist as 'separate from matter', they are actually referring to what the 'matter' of existence is made out of-vibrational 'waves' of an infinite reaching 'wave medium'. It would seem that our true physical connection to 'eternity' is found in our invisible connection to the 'eternal wave medium'-our connection to the 'spirit' of existence.

"Hidden Connection".

Drop a rock, or consider the earth orbiting sun.
Things are clearly 'connected' - yet we 'do not see' the cause of these connections (we must imagine them).
WSM explains this with the spherical in and out waves which 'connect' the wave center particles to one another across universe. So these spherical in and out waves (which we do not see) are the 'hidden connections' between the 'matter particles that we do see'.-Haselhurst


ps-I'm going by 'space' from now on. The 'hidden connection' to all things.

north jetty/space

[nickgreaves]

I have been reading the comments on this subject and have a few of my own now to make. First, the question of interconnectedness. Yes of course everyhting is entrierly connected and joined up together both across time and space. When I first saw the huge Fouculat's pendumum in the science Museum in Kensington as a child, and had its significance explained to me that it swung in sympathy with the rest of the uncivers and not the spinning of the universe, I was staggered and almost incredulous.

Later when I came to read about 30 years ago in some detail about Mach's Principle, which is the emdodiment of the latter, and then went on to read that no even half adequate scientific explanation of why this should be and how such a force acted. I knew there was something seriously absent from modern physics, so that the basic definition of inertia would have to be radically amended. This is currently under way whetehr they realsie it or not with the astrophysicists' relatively recent discovery that there is an inexplicably high amount of dark matter in the universe. If they have not yet connected the latter phenomenon with the possibility that inertia's defintion is awry, then they ought to have done, and I suspect some of them have.

Anyway my belief pattern has been for some time that everything is interconnected and the Absorber Theory of Feynman and Wheeler
(mentioned in Geoff's texts) is as good an explanation of how this works as any and the best defintion of this neat little theory I have come across is that by CPW Davies in his book The Physics of Time Asymmetry. What is not mentioned in Geoff or this website's texts (unless I have missed it) is that for the absorber theory to work, the whole system has to be inside a perfectly opaque interior or black box. This is a crucial point in my book since the immediate conclusion I can draw from it is that the universe must thefore be finite and bounded, in other words a vast expanding sphere with an edge to it. This is probaly far too simplistic an answer for most physicsts and cosmologists to stomach yet it is certainly not impossible and if it were so, has huge implications for questions such as the definition of inertia and whether light velocity is a constant or is perhaps changing. but I cannot go into that here, fascinating subject thought it is.

As for religiona and spirituality, the effect of my speculations on the way in which all things are connectedis as follows. Firstly there is no god. Primitive man need a god simply becasue he understood so little of how nature operated that unless he invented an all powerful god, there was no point or purpose to existence, no after life etc.etc. But as aour knowledge progresses, especualliy in the Western world, out understanding of things makes great progress and the need for us to be in the thrall of an all powerful god diminishes, as indeed is happening in most parts of Europe at least. Having said that, until we have more asnwers to the way in which out minds work, there is still a need for faith in the possibility that there is a point to life and that we have some purpose in being here, and until we know more then there is a role for belief in religion.

But there is the possibility, certainly in my world, that as our understanding of nature increases so we all become more godlike. Granted we have a long way to go yet , but maybe not since once our boffins make the break through (well over due) on understanding the mechansim of memory and hence the mind, then we shall be able to greatly accelerate the undertanding of our own behaviour with the result that wars, strife and general unpleasant behaviour will diminish, and in the end our individual intelligences will be able to net work like some vast computer, so the separate multi intelliegnces link up to become one vast body of understanding. Effectively we would become the god over whose exietence we now speculate so much.

Quite how that path to self understanding and self realisation for the human race might happen is something I have considered at length over years and have come up with some possible answers of sorts, but cannot deal with that here. How this links in with the wave structure of matter is something I have not had much time to ponder on, but I quite agree with the principle that matter is not really lumps of hard stuff but quanta of energy so much concentrated up in one location that it precipitates out as a kink in a manner which can be perceived as hard particles even though this is effefctively a parable of what is going on at a more fundamental level.

Energy, or more accurately the ability to transfer of action over distance is easy enough to visualise as a wave, and that is the basic level to which nature can be reduced, yes inded, but that realisation by itself is not a great help unless practical applciations of such a conclusion can then be developed, and that is what I try to do.

Nick

[haselhurst]

Hi Nick,
You are clearly getting closer in your knowledge of the functioning of the universe.
You really need to read Milo Wolff and understand the difference between Feynman's advanced and retarded em waves that exist around the 'particle' vs the scalar waves of WSM which create / form the particle.

And Cosmology has a simple solution founded on our observable universe being finite and spherical within an infinite space (which negates what you wrote above). WSM cosmology then deduces Mach's principle (and I was 10 years old when i saw that giant pendulum at the museum in London - it impressed me too).

Please also realise that this forum is being locked in a few days - will be closed for about 6 months while I try and finish rewriting website.

Cosmos,
Geoff

PS - Please use a spell checker and correct your above post - Google toolbar is good. Thanks.