Fractional waves

[John Martin]

My article on particle structure shows a link with the fractions found in the FQHE experiments. As these fractions show up as waves during experiments, I would like to know if this article would be suitable for this site.
Site address:
http://elasticity2.tripod.com/

[Steve Anthony]

Hi John, and welcome to the WSM forum.

I cannot pretend much mathematical knowledge, but from your summary I think you are very close to the WSM description...

[Aireal]

John Martin

I found the link you provided very helpful, thank you.

In paticular the fractional charge values of 2/5 and 3/7 I found to be of help in my current research.

Also I had been working on a sequence of 1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/6 so I found the sequence you cited as quite relavent, and the graph provided in fig.1 table 4 help me to understand the importance of the sequence cited and has opened up new avenues of research for me.

So yes the article is suitable for this site, and has already been quite helpful, my thanks.

I am glad to have made your aquintance, and ask that if you find any more such information to please share it also, and I hope to see you on our forum more often.

Best wishes
Charles

[John Martin]

Thanks to everyone for the welcome; although I have been a member for sometime I have been out of touch until a few days ago. The references given in your replies have provided me with much material for further work and for that alone I am very grateful.
There are some point on which I disagree but, if I am going to challenge some aspects of what has been established so far; then I need to assemble my arguments with great care and this will take time.
Meanwhile I am determined to stay in touch and will be logging in frequently to keep up with developments.
regards to all
John

[Steve Anthony]

You are very welcome John. And a wonderful attitude you have there, if you don't mind me saying so! I look forward to seeing more.


Best of luck with your studies,
Steve.

[haselhurst]

Hear hear! Well said you guys.
It does take time to assemble thoughts clearly and concisely (simply).
It is what i am doing at the moment - trying to write up website more simply. It is painfully slow for me.

We are trying to remain true to philosophy at this forum. To genuinely seek / love truth rather than our own ideas (which is very hard).

Simplicity is important in reality, as it relates to the existence of one substance (space) which connects the many things we experience (matter as wave motions of space).
This then explains necessary connection (Hume) which is the foundation for science knowledge (senses and logic from principles both require necessary connection).

I am certain that this is very important to keep in mind as we work / think about things. Because from my experience, most problems come from imagining too many things to exist, then having to imagine more things to connect them (e.g. particles and fields in space and time).

Good luck with your work - look forward to your careful thoughts.
Sincerely,
Geoff

[Aireal]

John Martin

I have been taking a closer look at your paper and I am quite impressed. Much of it parallels my own research. Indeed all particles / wave are distortions of a single elementary particle / wave.

In several posts I stated that I believed that the "particles" we know as leptons and quarks were in fact harmonics ( Fractions ) of the electrons wavelength. I turned my effort to find a way to determine the specific fractional amounts for each.

Your Linear Force Constant seems to be the answer to my quest. However there are some minor differences that do not seem to be a problem. For example, In your model the electron is 1/5 in your sequence of wavelengths. Where as I used the electrons wavelength as a base and went in both directions. It is these points that I would enjoy discussing as I believe they can be reconciled with W.S.M. theory while in no way distracting from your accomplishments.

Also of note was that you saw "balanced vacuum fields" as an important structural design. Here are some threads you might enjoy. Any comments that you have on those topics would be appreciated.

http://www.physics-philosophy-metaphysics.com/forum/w-s-m-and-bohr-s-hydrogen-atom-vt511.html

http://www.physics-philosophy-metaphysics.com/forum/zero-point-connection-vt666.html?sid=71c88ad193b75e4e9f5fdcd68fad4cf7

http://www.physics-philosophy-metaphysics.com/forum/wsm-relationship-between-waves-and-space-gtr-mach-s-vt488.html

http://www.physics-philosophy-metaphysics.com/forum/slowing-down-the-velocity-of-light-resonance-and-waves-vt572.html

http://www.physics-philosophy-metaphysics.com/forum/wave-propagation-vt480.html

http://www.physics-philosophy-metaphysics.com/forum/stochastic-electrodynamics-theory-w-s-m-alert-vt474.html

http://www.physics-philosophy-metaphysics.com/forum/what-is-a-proton-quarks-a-w-s-m-approach-vt483.html

http://www.physics-philosophy-metaphysics.com/forum/the-spherical-nature-of-waves-and-matter-vt419.html

http://www.physics-philosophy-metaphysics.com/forum/hello-my-name-is-nigel-and-i-love-this-site-vt468.html

Best wishes and continued success in your work
Charles

[John Martin]

Geoff

Re: most problems come from imagining too many things to exist

You have stated the underlying foundation of my case in a single phrase. We have named numerous charged particles when all have the same content and are therefore the same particle in different states. We have created a variety of different forces where there is one force acting in different strengths between particles of different states.

This has lead to the creation of various 'conservation rules' each of which operates in a particular set of cases; when in reality there is one conservation law 'The conservation of the number of particle', that applies in all cases.

Particles are waves, but of course, not all waves are particles; and the way we observe particles to move tells us something about their structure and allows an explanation of the difference between 'charge 1' particles and 'charge 0' particles (the only charge states). (This is not on my current web page, but has been on earlier pages and will be re-installed soon. The page was altered to prepare it for journal submission when it was reduced to the minimum case). This approach reduces the number of entities to the absolute minimum in compliance with Ockham's Law of Economy.

Quantum physics deals in 'mathematical prediction' only, it is without an interpretation (explanation of 'how' and 'why' it works) Students are told that if you can calculate it, you understand it mathematics is the language of Quantum physics. But look at the reality of these teachings, take the equations:
1 apple + 1 apple = 2 apples
1 apple + 1 orange = 2 fruits
now remove the words and you are left with the teachings of Quantum physics! It is mathematically correct but, it is not science as we know it.

The new approach as expressed on this forum, allows the creation of an interpretation, we can understand how 'mass' distorts space, how light travels and the structure of space itself. We might not have all the answers at present, but at least, we are on course.
John[/i]

[John Martin]

Charles

Delighted with your reply, I am already wading through the Caltech papers you recommended, but will give your latest list priority.

I think I should briefly state my position. I left school at age 14 with only a rudimentary education. Forced to retire at 59 I took up interpretation as a hobby; so the gaps in my knowledge of the subject are far greater than the knowledge itself, hence my question to you on another forum.

For eighteen years I have been banging my head against a brick wall, unable to find anyone who shared similar views. Two submissions for publication were rejected on the grounds that my work was too confusing, so you will appreciate my joy at finding this forum.

I have amended my webpage (http://elasticity2.tripod.com/) to include an earlier paper on the waves between bodies (1/3, 2/5, 3/7 etc). I found the planetary table by ‘doodling’ with the problems of the various theories on interplanetary distances. Years later when the work of Tsui et al was published in Scientific American, I new I had seen the sequence somewhere before, but it was three days before I finally remembered where!; and that lead me to where I am today.

I shall read your papers with interest and hope we can narrow the gaps, if any; will place the result on this forum as soon as possible, perhaps a week or two,

Best wishes

John Martin

[Aireal]

John Martin

You sound much like myself. I only have two year college degree. I was a stage hand until a heart attack forced me to retire. With time on my hands, my early love of science took over. I am mostly self taught in most subjects, so I have gaps in my knowledge also. I stumbled onto this site while working on a concept for radiation shielding for spacecraft. Although I was in the wrong place, Geoff and others gave me more assistance than sites that were related to my work. So I felt I owed them at least a look at their theory, and have been here since.

I will check out the additions to your web-page shortly.

Till we speak again.
Charles

[John Martin]

Aireal

My table of baryon radii is now on my web-page, this is a weak case on its own but, considering that the Standard model cannot give a formula that connects the mass of composite particle to their radii; it is worth mentioning. Note also that it supports my claim that all charged elementary particles have a charge value of 1 (because only charge value of 1 gives the correct radii).
This means that we do not have to explain how fractional charge affects wave structure as the wave structure is related only to particle compaction of particles with the same charge value.
I will deal with positive, negative and zero charge as soon as I have time; the work is done, I simply have to re-install it on my web-page.
regards
John