Electromagnetic waves still usefull for WSM

[marlowgs]

Dr. Wolff dismisses electromagnetic waves as inappropriate but I think they can be a helpful tool for a better understanding of WSM in the same way that EM waves help to describe the photon. First consider the relativistic equation for total particle energy E^2 = (pc)^2 + Eo^2. This equation suggests that total energy can be divided into orthogonal components of momentum energy (pc) and rest energy (Eo). The complex representation of total energy is then ~E = pc + i*Eo. We know that light is momentum (or free) energy and is comprised of in-phase electric and magnetic waves. This suggests that rest (or stored) energy might be viewed as 90-degree out-of-phase electric and magnetic waves. In electrical AC circuits we see an analogy. The in-phase current and voltage of resistive components liberates energy and the 90-degree out-of-phase current and voltage of reactive components stores energy. We can’t see the 90-degree out-of-phase oscillation (imaginary component of ~E) but I believe that the intrinsic particle properties of electric charge and magnetic spin are manifestations of these electric and magnetic waves. The in-phase oscillations (real component of ~E) are visible in particles of light (EM waves) and moving particles of matter (de Broglie waves). In the same way that the in-phase EM waves, when confined to packets, leads to the quantum description of light, the out-of-phase waves, when confined to packets, should lead to a quantum description of WSM. Currently I'm trying to reconcile Dr. Wolff's work with my idea. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.

[haselhurst]

The problem is that em waves are not real, but mathematical constructions. Yes they are useful, but also misleading and not entirely accurate. They are continuous, whereas reality of standing wave interactions is often discrete. They lead to infinities where standing waves do not. They are artifacts of particle theory and continuous approximations of many discrete quantum effects - it is better to work from real waves in space instead.
It is also worth reading Collective Electrodynamics by Carver Mead, which relates to the quantum wave states of matter in circuits.

Thanks for posting.
All the best,
Geoff

[marlowgs]

In your video interview with Dr. Wolff (clip #4) he appears confused as to why the wave solution is cos(wt) + i*sin(wt). If you look at my EM explanation you can see that electric and magnetic waves are 90-degrees out of phase as are his cosine and sine. The imaginary factor i comes from the fact that electric and magnetic waves are orthogonal. In my experience I have found that sometimes its better to use a simple model , even if it's not perfect, to get a deeper understanding of how the universe works.

[haselhurst]

Hopefully Milo can reply.
And I do agree that at times approximations are useful.

But given the confusion that has come from particles and continuous field theory - that has basically destroyed modern physics and philosophy, and had devastating effects for Humanity (no absolute truths) - well i think it is time that we started to understand physical reality and its necessary truths.

Sorry to be abrupt - appreciate your comments, hope you will do some good work for WSM over time!!
Cheers,
Geoff