"When forced to summarize the general theory of relativity in one sentence: Time and space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter. ... Physical objects are not in space, but these objects are spatially extended ... thus the concept of particles cannot play a fundamental part, ... and can only appear as a limited region in space in which the field strength or energy density are particularly high."
(Albert Einstein, Metaphysics of Relativity, 1950)
"It is my firm belief that the last seven decades of the twentieth century will be characterized in history as the dark ages of theoretical physics. ... The quantum world is a world of waves, not particles."
(Carver Mead, Professor Emeritus at Caltech. Received $500,000 Lemelson-MIT Prize in 1999)
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Bill Fisher
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 Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:32 am Post subject: Brainwashing & One WSM Systems Thinking |
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The need to have something to measure against
If you don’t have something to measure against then how do you know whether you’re dealing with religious hype or truth?
What tools do you need to tell the difference between religious hype and truth? How do you go about mastering self-governance? I believe you need a set of practical ‘wave’ tools or mental ‘wave’ models?
If non-linear wave models represent continuous change and transformation then how about using nonlinear wave models to improve the human condition? What might be some good examples?
Let me try and give an example.
OODA Loop
The OODA loop attempts to explain what John Boyd did successfully as a fighter pilot in the Korean War. Time after time, he in 40 seconds would put the enemy in a kill position. How do you articulate what it was that he did so well so often? And then apply that to improving business or the human condition?
At first, they hit on the linear sequential pattern of observe-orient-decide-act but that kind of thinking is far too slow and inefficient.
According to John Boyd, decision-making occurs in a cycle of observe-orient-decide-act. Here you have feed forward and feedback loops.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_Loop
I believe OODA should be perceived as a mental ‘wave’ model one of continuous change and transformation.
Observing
Orienting
Deciding
Acting
This ‘wave’ pattern operates from motion to motion and you need to use / do all four simultaneously. This requires a shift in perception from linear / loops to mental ‘wave’ model.
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Steve Anthony
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Hello again Joe,
You have presented a good opportunity to expose some 'brainwashing', in respect to the self-awareness that I tried to explain on the other thread.
| Quote: | | The OODA loop attempts to explain what John Boyd did successfully as a fighter pilot in the Korean War. Time after time, he in 40 seconds would put the enemy in a kill position. How do you articulate what it was that he did so well so often? |
- Here, Joe would have to examine his choice of his own articulation. Joe would have to ask himself why he would think that putting 'enemies' in 'kill positions' was something being done 'well'? Joe would maybe have to criticize his own choice of the word 'successful', and his own perception of how others being 'successful' gives himself a kind of justification of his own actions. Further, does this kind of thinking make the species that we belong to 'successful'?
Our own perceptions of what is 'right' and what is 'wrong' are really by-products of what we become through influence. Thus they are subjective, and open to manipulation. While we still insist on living in the world of 'separate things', it gives us someone, or something else, to push all the 'wrong' pieces of ourselves onto, thus giving ourselves the illusion that the 'fault' or the 'blame' lies elsewhere.
Once you observe these things in yourself, it becomes easier to see them in other parts of Space.
| Quote: | | "If it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every Human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" - Alexandr Solzhenitsyn |
To measure against ourselves, firstly, is a very difficult trick to learn, as our 'civilised' societies are not in the habit of such acknowledgements, and we are thus rarely taught such things, but a trick we must learn in order to perceive where this 'brainwashing' really starts. This is an even more difficult trick to maintain! But, if we all started putting 'good' thoughts back into the world, where would the 'bad' thoughts be able to come from? We can only see the sense in this for ourselves, and as 'putting enemies in kill positions' is something that perpetuates violence against us, we have to observe that it simply does not work, but easily provides a vicious 'loop' of violence all of its own.
There is no other 'answer' to be found, in my opinion. As difficult and often distasteful as it is, we must first get our own house in order before brushing away the sand of 'others'...
| Quote: | | An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. - M.K. Gandhi |
So, you cannot have 'one systems thinking' while we remain purely 'subjective'. We have to acknowledge the thoughts of others, and be united in our thoughts in order to apply them to 'one system'. The discovery of WSM itself will help to do this, as we now have a viable platform for understanding reality in greater clarity than ever before. Yet, we must still allow the individual their freedom, and only acceptance of each other will do this. Let's all try to be something that others will willingly accept! - I believe this is why the rest of nature is accepting of itself, no matter how harsh it sometimes becomes; there is always an equal amount of beauty.
Honesty, Truth, Reality, are always the same thing, but not always 'nice'! - And Nature is sometimes quite brutal and harsh, without us making it even more so for ourselves...
All the best, Joe,
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Bill Fisher
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| Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:39 pm Post subject: Space and motion thinking |
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Hi Steve,
Thanks for your comments
Joe wrote
| Quote: | | Here, Joe would have to examine his choice of his own articulation. Joe would have to ask himself why he would think that putting 'enemies' in 'kill positions' was something being done 'well'? Joe would maybe have to criticize his own choice of the word 'successful', and his own perception of how others being 'successful' gives himself a kind of justification of his own actions. Further, does this kind of thinking make the species that we belong to 'successful'? |
John Boyd was successful and did his job well. It’s not about being judgemental. One studies the art of war to avoid war. Sun Tuz’ classic The Art of War teaches students how to avoid war.
Studying abusive ‘wave’ patterns teaches you how to avoid or neutralize them.
Steve wrote
| Quote: | | To measure against ourselves, firstly, is a very difficult trick to learn, as our 'civilised' societies are not in the habit of such acknowledgements, and we are thus rarely taught such things, but a trick we must learn in order to perceive where this 'brainwashing' really starts. |
Linear sequential thinking and communication (this sentence) lacks space and motion ‘wave’ thinking. OODA on the other is in my opinion a space and motion ‘wave’ model you can use to measure your performance against. I use OODA and The Art of War ‘wave’ patterns to play a better game of squash.
Observing
Orienting
Deciding
Acting
Steve wrote
| Quote: | | So, you cannot have 'one systems thinking' while we remain purely 'subjective'. We have to acknowledge the thoughts of others, and be united in our thoughts in order to apply them to 'one system'. |
When you are in the middle one system are you not in the middle of a muddle unless of course you have something to measure against? And when was the last you used linear sequential thinking to drive your car or ride bicycle?
We use sound waves to make beautiful music and we can use sound waves to drive people crazy. We use light waves to kill bacteria and viruses. We use our understanding of waves to change the wave structure of matter. The following video clip shows how the wave structure of H2O is reorganized into HHO a stable gas. HHO is different to H2 and O which are highly volatile gasses.
http://www.physics-philosophy-metaphysics.com/video/waterfuel.wmv
Again I think there is benefit from shifting ones thinking from linear sequential to space and motion ‘wave’ thinking – might give you something to measure against too.
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Steve Anthony
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Joe, my final comments on the matter.
| Quote: | | John Boyd was successful and did his job well. It’s not about being judgemental. One studies the art of war to avoid war. Sun Tuz’(?) classic The Art of War teaches students how to avoid war. |
- This is why 'Joe Average' continues to be manipulated by his own 'fat priest' (His 'beliefs' - internal and external)...
To avoid war, we must all study the art of peace. Take words like 'war' out of the vocabulary. Can we not live without it? I can assure you there is plenty of tragedy and misery still to be suffered, even without self-conflict, if that's what people are worried about!
| Quote: | | Studying abusive ‘wave’ patterns teaches you how to avoid or neutralize them. |
- Agreed. You have the most opportunity to study, and the most control over your own abusive wave patterns.
There is already a perfect system of language and thought in place. It has always been there, always will be, and we have called it 'Truth'. It is our ongoing endeavour, to become increasingly more aware of it...
My grandfather was an 'average Joe', in the second world war. He was forced to go against his will, and died a few months later. The king sent his family a certificate saying that he died for king and country, but only the king seemed to benefit. My father was six years old, had two younger sisters, a mother with problems, and had to give up schooling by age 14, even though he was bright and passed all the exams; he had to go out and work. He never really got over the trauma of it all, but worked very hard for his family all his life, as he knew little else. He died at age 49. He would have been 69 years old today.
"It was 20 years ago today, Sgt. Pepper told the band to play..."
Today, I know this...
Rich men are no less slaves to the poor. They are two halves of the same imbalance.
It's the war on ourselves that interests me most, Bill.
Best of luck with yours,
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Bill Fisher
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Steve,
Thanks for hanging in there
Steve wrote
| Quote: | | There is already a perfect system of language and thought in place. It has always been there, always will be, and we have called it 'Truth'. It is our ongoing endeavour, to become increasingly more aware of it... |
I don’t have trouble with the concept of ‘Truth’ I have trouble with man-made linear sequential wordsmiths who go on and on ‘ad nausea’ about things which are not linear or sequential?
Steve wrote
| Quote: | | It's the war on ourselves that interests me most, Bill. |
Now this is where we see eye to eye and I agree fully.
The Art of Strategy: A new translation of Sun Tzu’s classic The Art of War by R. L. Wing.
Wing breaks Sun Tzu’s work on confrontation into four areas of study.
Conflict in the self
Conflict in the environment
Conflict with another
Conflict among leaders
My brother murdered my father and that immediately changed our family dynamics big time. So I want you to know I have a great deal of empathy about these life changing incidents.
galaxy*19 wrote
| Quote: | | I"ve got a related (hopefully) question.. how can we use this new power of WSM to make the world a better place for women? |
I believe you need to look at the different tools we use or could use to significantly reduce confrontation and make the world a better place for everyone. My rating on the following:
Linear sequential communication – poor
You're either with us or you're against us; my way or the highway control tactics – fail
Space and motion ‘wave communication’ tools and techniques – I believe work in this area represent great potential
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Lazyman
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The Art of War by Sun Tzu
| Quote: | | Sun Tzu sees the highest form of warfare is AVOIDING IT by deception and psychological ploys that result in the enemy becoming your friend because war is a waste for everyone that practices it. |
http://www.amazon.com/Art-War-Sun-Tzu/dp/0385292163
I haven't personally read the book but it seems that the preceeding sentiment is something that most of us could agree upon (at least in the interim, before 'war' is erased from the human vocabulary). I don't want to get into politics, but if this is true, imo it's a shame that certain western leaders haven't read the book, or if they have, haven't taken it to heart. |
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You could define war as a failure of human civilization.
And I think the initial Joe Average post was not to support war, but to use an example of skills obtained from one system thinking (space and motion / evolution and ecology / dynamic unity of reality) to show how to succeed at the things we do.
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Steve Anthony
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| Quote: | | ..I think the initial Joe Average post was not to support war.. |
- Sorry for confusion, I was trying to point out how easy it is for us all to accept such things in our lives.
| Quote: | | My brother murdered my father and that immediately changed our family dynamics big time. So I want you to know I have a great deal of empathy about these life changing incidents. |
- Mate, that's just incredibly tough. I can't begin to understand how that must feel! - Thanks to YOU for hanging in there.
I think we are all here for the same reasons, whatever 'opinions' or 'politics' we bring with us. It was not my intention to come across as offensive. Sorry if that was the case.
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