"When forced to summarize the general theory of relativity in one sentence: Time and space and gravitation have no separate existence from matter. ... Physical objects are not in space, but these objects are spatially extended ... thus the concept of particles cannot play a fundamental part, ... and can only appear as a limited region in space in which the field strength or energy density are particularly high."
(Albert Einstein, Metaphysics of Relativity, 1950)
"It is my firm belief that the last seven decades of the twentieth century will be characterized in history as the dark ages of theoretical physics. ... The quantum world is a world of waves, not particles."
(Carver Mead, Professor Emeritus at Caltech. Received $500,000 Lemelson-MIT Prize in 1999)
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metatron
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject: How do waves become spherical ? |
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robertkernodle
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:16 pm Post subject: They Just Are |
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Geoff certainly is the man to answer this question, but I will say simply that space waves, according to WSM theory, do not BECOME spherical--- they simply ARE spherical.
THAT is the foundational basis of the theory. Waves ARE spherical, because to conceive of them as such is the simplest way to unify all of reality, according to WSM.
In other words, all knowledge (from Geoff's perspective) converges on this geometry as the best possible geometry to explain reality.
I venture this answer to test my understanding---- corrections?, Geoff?
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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:09 am Post subject: Why are Waves Spherical |
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Why are Waves Spherical
Interesting question and I appreciate your answer Robert.
My further thoughts!
We should not ignore empirical knowledge (half of Science). And it is clear that matter interacts spherically, that matter forms spherical shapes (spheres do exist in reality).
However, while Sphere is most simple shape, this simplicity argument is only valid when it comes to Unity of reality, where this simplicity of only one substance existing is necessary to explain matter's interconnection across the universe. i.e. simple = one substance = necessary connection.
And history shows that using simplicity itself can mislead us, as Kepler finally realised when he rejected Copernicus' circular orbits (most simple)and tried using ellipses.
But all in all Robert, you are pretty spot on with your reply (what an artist philosopher you are becoming - great!)
Why is matter spherical - because that is what exists - spherical (ellipsoidal) standing waves in Space. And it makes no sense to ask why what exists exists. As this infers a reason / cause for something that is un-caused / eternal.
Does this add anything / help at all?
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Fair enough,
If this then is an eternal aspect of the universe than their must be [correct me if I'm wrong] but an anti-spherical aspect to the universe. What would that be? |
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:20 pm Post subject: Opposite phase, not opposite sphere |
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Why must there be an anti spherical aspect to universe?
This harmony of opposites is true to a degree.
1. There seems to be same number of negative charged 'particles' as there are positive, which in terms of WSM means that there are an equal number of in phase and opposite phase spherical standing waves, i.e. net wave amplitude (causes charge) of universe is zero (same number of electrons and positrons / matter and antimatter). I think the positrons combine with the electrons to form protons, but proton has one extra positron for a net charge of +1 (there is more to proton than this though, some extra resonance at wave center).
2. There is also this harmony of opposites in that all matter has spherical In waves and Out Waves (to form a spherical standing wave).
3. Finally Space itself must have two aspects for wave motion; slight motion of nearly rigid space, and elasticity of space. A wave oscillates between these two 'states' of space.
This also relates to the binary nature of reality. Any thoughts?
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metatron
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:16 am Post subject: Tensional Integrity |
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| Quote: | | 3. Finally Space itself must have two aspects for wave motion; slight motion of nearly rigid space, and elasticity of space. A wave oscillates between these two 'states' of space. |
Does this "elasticity of space" come from a tensegrity aspect of gravity;
(gravity pulling all directions at once).
What is tensegrity?
"The word 'tensegrity' is an invention: a contraction of 'tensional integrity.' Tensegrity describes a structural-relationship principle in which structural shape is guarenteed by the finitely closed, comprehensively continuous, tensional behaviors of the system and not by the discontinuous and exclusively local compressional member behaviors. Tensegrity provides the ability to yield increasingly without ultimately breaking or coming asunder" |
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:43 am Post subject: Space as a tensile Medium |
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Tensegrity hey! How interesting.
Have a look at Ron Hatch's work on the Wave Structure of Matter - he works more from this foundation that Space is a Tensile wave medium, but for some reason he only considers spherical Out waves, not the In waves as well (need to discuss this with him at some stage).
See;
(http://www.egtphysics.net/Index.htm)
But I think your comments are pretty astute, space must be a tensile (nearly rigid continuously connected) wave medium to satisfy rules of Metaphysics and the dynamic unity of reality.
Cosmos,
Geoff
PS - I don't think it is correct to say that gravity 'pulls' anything. Gravity seems to be caused by a slowing of wave velocity in Space of higher wave density (where there is more matter), thus also explaining curvature of light past the Sun.
PPS - This post is getting off topic. Its title is related to Why Matter is Spherical. So please start a new post with relevant title if you want to carry on this discussion of 'Tensegrity' / structure of Space. Thanks. |
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